The truth is shocking. Wowscape generates half a million per month since the year 2009. And Peyton (the owner) doesn't even care to upgrade the servers that are so slow and laggy. Some people permanently left *points at self* because it is unplayable. That's not to mention the new changes require you to have a good 8-18 hours to complete the end game instances. It is all done in the name of money. Harder game=more donations=more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to collect. By donations I mean you can get an item anywhere from $15 and up rather then raid for it for months at a time. Yet on the official Blizzard servers (which have no bugs, no lag, and anywhere from 5 to 10 times more people playing) you pay $15 per month and can attain any item in game, as well as complete same instances that take 18 hours on Wowscape in 3 to 5. And since the Lich King been out, Blizzard made all those instances 30% easier when on Wowscape they're 100% harder. Makes no sense does it?
When shit hits the fan...
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Playing on those servers is absolutely horrible. The best gear is extremely hard to attain, things are limited and if you want something nice you have to donate, people are treated like the scum of the earth. You can get a 2 week ban for questioning a GM, Example: "why are you abusing your powers?" will lead to a mute or a temp ban. As of today wowscape is THE WORST WOW PRIVATE SERVER AROUND! A year ago it was one of the best. Back then it had anywhere from 3-6k players online, yet today there is anywhere from 600-2.5k. Horrible, just horrible. They fucked up the server in the name of money and refuse to change it back.
I am happy to be outta there. There will never be a better server then retail, and I am glad to be finally part of it.
p.s. when i was referring to Wowscape, i meant the "blizz-like" servers they have, which are Wowcrack and Wowlegion. Wowscape server itself is a 'funserver' and has everything on easy-mode. If you a donor you are 10x stronger then non-donors which are the majority. Donors have donated anywhere from $100-$300 and even more! If you just want to play the game for free and you encounter a donor on another team, you get squashed like a bug. that's why funserver ruins the game for an average player, so many people steer clear of it. but from the looks of things they can't even enjoy playing on regular servers because of many reasons i listed above.
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LOL. They had that coming for them. I hadnt heard about this till just now and i used to be a WoWScape player, but I changed back to retail because of all of the crap that was going on - Donors made the game homo and the conflict between the GMs was just plain stupid.
Thanks for the info i have been thinking about leaving WoW Scape for a while now the lag is just unbearable. The WoW Scape Server the most popular one cuts out multiple times a day for at least a few hours. The Donors are way over powered rouges having 30K HP and hitting for 2-3k normal damage is just unfair on the rest of us. Also the price for donation has risen I think it will now cost $50 to $100 to upgrade to a WotLK set which is day light robbery. Ill be quitting there servers soon and play Retail where I can get proper support if I have a problem and less disruptions from servers being down or high ping.
I had my 4 accounts banned for calling a GM ugly (GM-Drinda) in my private blog after playing for about 5 years. Should pretty much tell you how "professional" this server is.
Whew, I was considering on joining that server...any other reommendations for private wow servers?
I can't really give you any recommendations because I only tried a few. But I was playing on a classic realm "cwow" and it was pretty decent. They have a leveling server and an instant 60 as well which is the most populated one. So if you interested in classic WoW check it out.
But I mean if I ever go private ever again, I'd try Wowlegacy to see how it is.
LOL it is so sad, i bet this guy is from legacy. That0s bullshit man, if u don't like donors play on legion or crack.... U'r an asshole
I am not from legacy, never played on legacy, and the only reason why I even said I'd try legacy was because my guild on wowcrack was in good relations with them. That, and plus the fact that they went out of their way to find out the truth about Wowscape despite all the lies the staff always tell their players.
I'm an asshole? I played on Wowcrack for over a year, have seen people being banned for the dumbest shit, and now I'm just trying to spread the truth. I witnessed Wowscape server go from being the best, to bad, to the worst. People get banned for things like "yelling" in Stormwind. Yes, on Wowscape people "/yell LFG BT t6 Hunter, etc.." in SW which was the main way to get into raids on the Allies side back in BC, and they used to get perm banned for it because of this stupid rule that was being enforced. Then after banning so many folks for this dumb and meaningless "offense" (which at some point disappeared from the rule book) I'm an asshole? GM's treat the players like they are the scum of the planet is ok, but I'm an asshole. hmmm...
Here is what you will get out of playing on Wowscape servers:
(and remember, these are just a few problems)
-15 mins to over an hour wait on "Retrieving character list". Yes, you heard it right. The login process. Some people are stuck on this part of the game for OVER AN HOUR and others even have pics of this in their sigs on forums as a joke.
-Insanely "blizz-like" wanna be scripted instances with bosses hitting all tanks 450,000k and wiping raids. don't believe me? go check the forums. the new Lich King "blizz-like" instances are scripted like this. and if you complain, your threads will get closed, and the so called "pros" will tell you to "learn how to play proper".
-60% of the population are gone to Retail or some other servers. I remember Wowscape (funserver) had a maximum volume of people on some busy weekends. that's 7,000 people online! Now go check it and tell me if it even reaches 1/3rd of that. They don't even tell you in-game when you log how many people are online because it's a disgrace compared to a year ago.
-Wolfy, the GM, completely ruined all the tier 6 dungeons and from the looks of things they are doing the same to the expansion as well.
-after the new changes that were implemented GMs acted like they'll listen to the players yet most of opinions were shut down, closed, and ignored. 95% of the people were unhappy with the changes and said they are horrible. every thread that had a billion of replies complaining, asking, and begging the mods to do something were closed, people got warned, and banned.
-ever since the GM-Wolfy made these changes, he kept talking back to the community telling them they can either stay and put up with his new 8-18 hours "blizz-like" scripts, or they can leave. half left, but the remaining still complained and said his scripting is horrible. Then all of the sudden Wolfy mysteriously disappears. I guess he was feeling pretty ashamed for being responsible for fucking up the entire server all by himself.
-hackers, bugs, lag, weird rules on banning. let me give you a few examples on weird rules. Fear for any class is banned, which means if you use it and someone took a screenie and reported you, your character would be banned. Back in BC hunters could do some trick with their pets and if someone reported youd get banned. They banned so many hunters that at some point they disabled pets. There are many rules like these of spells that work making you somewhat op, but you gotta spend time reading the forums and learning them, and make sure you don't break them unless you want to be banned on your toon that you spent months or maybe even years on.
-foreigners. not like I'm against them, but Wowscape has an enormous foreign community most of whom don't necessarily speak nor understand English. so you can imagine how many bans these poor individuals receive. You have to constantly read and follow their rules or you'll be lost and banned at some point for doing something you weren't supposed to do.
and after all of this I'm an asshole? Yeah, ok buddy. You just keep enjoying your "blizz-like" servers you play on. I want to at least tell the people what they're getting themselves into before they spent all of their time complaining on the forums and get laughed at by the staff.
Due to their stubborn "blizz-like" rules, Wowscape is slowly crumbling in a sad, self-destructive type of way. I guess all good things come to an end, and this just may be the beginning of the end of "Scapegaming" community. What a lame new name btw.
@ SP:
No, after all he's not calling YOU an asshole, he called the topic starter an asshole.
You typed everything for nothing =).
Uhhh no, he called SP an asshole. & I bet your the same anonymouse guy but you decided to make an account now just to tick him off.
ha! good thing i quit wowscape alonnnnng time ago its gettting crap allover it, ya like SP had posted every word true, and most crap of all is the disabled of pets crap its crap i tell u!
this is a load of bull from some idiot who probably got banned for being a dickhead this is the dumbest shit since Y2K
Being one of the most renoun GMs to grace wowscape I can tell you that the screenshots you've posted are misleading.
Wowscape does not generate that much per month, not even close. Scape generates about $60,000 USD per month. While most of that does end up in Peyton's pockets, she's not making as much as you say.
The donation records you posted make it seem as if scape is a thriving business -not so.
Those pages contain many duplicate donation orders. The database is very unreliable and 3/4 of donations result in fraud or chargebacks, so peyton is making very meager profits, nothing like you make it seem.
But don't for a second believe that i am "white knighting" our "beloved" scape "CEO."
After trying very hard to redress the issues that plague the server, and being severely reprimanded for enforcing the very rules I was employed to enforce, I decided to backlog the donations and get some "benefit" out of being a donations GM.
Ultimately I was fired for misconduct, but not before I created myriad full donor accounts for friends, and profited handsomely from a small portion of the donation money.
How I did it is of little significance, but I made off with $4,156 USD.
My girlfriend was a manager on staff too =)
Loveless GM, btw.
I recognize some of the complainers, and a lot of them are just disgruntled idiots who decided to marginally break rules just to irritate the staff.
It's not a business overtly, so they need not act like it is. That's the beauty of the establishment.
The way to really bring the hurt at them is to become a staffer and just revel in the benefits.
Regardless, I had a lot of fun. But real life is more pressing at the moment. Law school and social life... you know things that are palpable.
Ok, wowscape lags.. ok, peyton keeps lots of money... But what gives the hacker the right to bring down the server and keeping other players who DON'T care from playing on the server?
If you are frustrated.. just get off the server.. forget it existance and let other ppl alone :/
Well, scape is pretty much all but done. The latest group of GM's all but disappeared, The execs won't answer any questions because they know they are failing, and people are sick of having nothing to do (no working instances). It's a shame that you resorted to the path you took Nova.... I thought you were above that. Ah well, at least you got something for all the bs that you put up with.
The CEO has made enough cash to start a new music managment company though, so it looks like she made out pretty good. Marcelo is the only one I see making changes..... he'll never catch up. Scape's been down for a few days now, and the forums for a week now.......
It was fun 2007-2008..... after spring 08, it started to turn to shit.
So the hacker decides for OTHER players who DON'T care that they cannot play on the server anymore.. That's autocratic bullshit..
I know scape sucks. But still.. Even with all the lag i don't even mind playing there. I play only like 2 hours a week.. so scape is good enough for me :/
Don't like scape? Leave the server and forget it exist.. geez
After reading this I thought some of it was right.... but notice who leaves they're mark at the bottom? None other than wowcrappy. Figures those fools have nothing better to do with their time than hack. The whole group of legacy people should be sent to prison for being as arrogant as they are hacking, and disrupting other peoples wow experience. Anything said by a member of legacy can every be believed by me after I saw what they did.
I tried to be the "best I could be."
But it was apparent that the staff was more enthused by meaningless promotions, or personal gain.
Promotions meant nothing to me. Personal gain is a game I can hang ten with... however.
Also, as far as selfless staffers go... Drinda, Kadyn and Taz are saints.
They are the ones you should be lauding.
i played on WoWscape over a year ago and thought it was realy good, then i stopped playing for quite a while and have recently started playing again, i must say WoWlegion reminds me of WoWscape back when it was good, so im happy, just a bit pissed off because i cant transfer my character >.>
I would have to agree, with users getting banned for no reason. One guy got ban for having the name Penits. PENITS are you fucking serious? The GMs are a joke, some Take that GM power way too far.
Like they don't even think rational when it comes to conduct. Mute Mute Ban Ban Kick Kick for silly shit.
Sadly, it's the best server I can find at the moment. Most other ones either have a small user base, are full of Brazilians, or only have instant 80 or low rate servers. Kinda sucks.
I played WoWScape for six or so months, just enough time to get to level 70. It was pretty good, but even online I am kind of antisocial. I think the extent of my contact with GM's was when I saw some guy zoom past me, only to disappear as I saw his name pop up on the "Banned for ______" list. I never donated, can't even remember my account name and pass anymore, but it was a good place to learn the best ways to use a certain class. It was good as a testing ground for me, but to play all the time? Constant killing by donators got pretty old, pretty fast.
I see 2 more DGM's are now fired.... it's a shame that people can't be honest. Theft is theft....it hurts us all when you steal shit, even if you think they deserve it. It only makes YOU look like a thief...... not Scape.
to be honest with you, the problem is Peyton, nothing else, if a more brained person would be in charge, everything would be awesome.
And about retail, well, you see, not all ppl have a chance to play there, thats why they go private servers, I myself was dreaming of going there for years, but I failed, so did many others, so dont tell me its easy to just go play retail:)
Congratualtions Mr. Blogger you have officially joined one of the 100 odd mentally challenged Silent followers who like to say what they heard someone else say thinking it will make them sound cool.
Choosing between Silent and Peyton is like choosing between the better of two evils.
See back on scape in a few months buddy...
well marcelo was fired sooo...
lets gonna see the next step of scapegaming destruction...
sry for my bad english xD
Chances are that Peyton will be going to jail for stealing Blizzard content. Blizzard is a 10 billion company who won a recent $7 million court case against WOW Glider.
Wowscape is hacked by opne holes left in by Blizzard programmers. Easter eggs.
Matter of time. Maybe Peyton should hide her money like Madoff
Zil, your obviously very dense.
I pilfered because I felt entitled (regardless of the impression that may leave on you). I don't care how scape comes off in all of it, I just wasn't going to let myself be slighted.
Just dropped in to plug where DooDah went. He opened his own network cause he got tired of working for selfish server owners. it's cachewow.com
why cachewow? Cause I plan on raffling off %10 of donations each week back to the community.
as for scape, I made it perfectly clear why I left. Peyton martyred me, end of story. lol
I agree with you all. Scape was the S*&T for years, but then it started falling apart. Me getting fired for what I was fired for should have told the community how things really were. It's been all downhill since then.
My network is trinity core. A mangos dirivative. it's 90% correct. Every mobs casts spells.
peace out everyone.
ps- I won't be back. want to chat, come to my page.
Quote(I pilfered because I felt entitled (regardless of the impression that may leave on you).)
The impression that leaves on me is that you are a thief. It doesn't matter who or why you took something that wasn't yours. Since you are the big "law student" you of all people should know that..... I guess that makes you the one that's fucking dense, or just like all lawyers...... crooks with a degree.
Not saying Peyton doesn't deserve it or anything..... cause she does........ but now I think the same about both of you.
Guys, are you kidding about WoWLegacy has old ScapeGaming PTR Accounts? I have try and fail ? Can some one confirm or not ? Can you provide me with details ?
PS : I had alot of chars in the PTR Realm and i`d like to see them in Legacy and transfer my Legion charachter.
Ok, its obvious you wanna stay clear of WoWscape. While i played there for 2 weeks a suffered 10+ kicks 3 mutes and 2 bans... Whearas i can play at other servers for 1month and not even get 1 kick. What were these for?
Not using Global chat correctly,
Wtf how is not chatting in it using it correctly it dosnt even make sense
Anal spam
Disregarding GMS: GM muted me so i asked why.
Talking in cheaters channel: I reported a flyhacker and someone asked why nark? And i said becoz i hate haxors = 5day mute + Kick.. WTF?
7 day Ban for telling GM he shud do his job correctly instead of muting every second person.
Kicks for Yelling in SW: Use LFG channel: I would if there was someone in it.
Kick for killing a GM: Are you kidding they are lifeless nerds and cant take dying once? Boohoo
Plus others, it goes down every 1hr and takes 2mins to go back up, not worth it, you cannot get any armour better than TBC because Sarth send Pyrobuffets no matter where you are to hit 16k non crit..
Saph uses a fire wave which hits 2k every sec for 10 secs, non avoidable
And KT and other bosses you cannot even attack!
Neverendless-WoW is much better and don't even think about WoW legacy as you can tell they are a bunch of dickheads who will break the law to get a few more players.
lol? mate mr annoymouse or w/e u can 5 man sapp....no donor gear just random is gear and s5 and KT... u can attack him after the wave of elite undead that does 500-1k dmg per hit or someshit like that die fast anwayz KT = 19- 25 man Sapp u can 5 man :D not so hard
NOVA!! are u pumpkin-panda ? if u are u rock :D YOU BOL'ed SCAPE! PS. the people who get red ms/latency in WoW are China, JP, taiwan, Korea (some places), and some other countrys near that cause they are so far away from the main server just a hint to all u lagging ragers
people...scape is dying. that's all. peyton cares? no. she is already richer than most of you can imagine, and Nova, peyton truly earns THAT much from donations...there are hundreds of people who spent 500 bucks for each of their characters...Just log in to scape (if it is ever online, that is) and count donor people and do some maths.
and last comment, naxx was always doable, but it used to drop level 60 loot for like months...
Just forget it, Burlex, Silent, and now Marcelo too... I really aggree that silent's way of doing things are kinda wrong, but i understand his hatred for peypey the wh0re.
Just for your information, Marcelo has left and opened his own server, but unlike silent, he isnt doing such lame things like hacking etc. www.magic-wow.com
It is 3 days old now and only gone offline twice, to update database.
It ıs a lot more stable than stupid scapegaming servers, and gm's there (krylock and taz, currently) are not fag's unlike most current scape game masters.And it has like 600-700 active players btw*
The irony of it all is that I one time blantly confessed on the forums using a bugged item to instantly kill another exploiter. Probably wasn't the smartest thing to do for popularity, but a GM personally told me he would more or less "ignore" it in this case. While I agree that there are cases of abuse among the staff, the exaggeration here seems to of gone a bit too far.
Well Zil, if you'd like to get philosophical about it -you're committing a Nicomachean Err.
You may berate my actions all you'd like until you're blue in the face but at the end of the day you've only inclined to demonstrate less moral fiber than I have.
Your faux virtue neglects the fact that you're accessing intellectual property without due consent (Blizzard Entertainment), and that's pardoning the more overt offense: scapegaming profits subvert copyright jurisprudence.
But go ahead and keep your chin up. I'm certain your indignant sentiments are sensible to persons of subnormal intellect such as yourself.
Yes I too remember the glory days of scape. I got banned over 6 months ago for no reason!! Yes no reason. Just got randomly banned and the several GM's I talked to could never figure out why I was banned. LOL. Yes I was one of those meanie donor rogues with 30k hp and sadly op gear. 300$$$ down the drain. Nova if you got your hands on any of the 300$ I donated then I have this to say to you. Grats, hope you bought a fat sack of weed and smoked 10 blunts for me because Peyton I am looking for a good Pserver to play on maybe I will try this legacy thing or marcelos. Currently dling wow torrent. Who wants to play with me?
Insert above (because peyton is a leech)
I was once a member of WoWScape and am pleased to know that justice, finally, has been served. I was one of the original members, of the first 1000 ,infact, and played it back in the day when the management was decent. Since the ascension of Peyton their has been clear distress and dishonesty. Their was management theifing even back in the day but not to this level. Silent once bought and xbox 360 with the donations, even though that money was destined for server repair and expansion. I've since quit playing WoW but im happy to see that the truth is unveiled and that other more stable and honestly run servers are ermerging. If their's anything I can do to bring down the tyrants or crush her cause... let me know.
bbttaatt@hotmail.com
For those who remember the name,
Valens
Funny how people lie. You know that new lead dev? It's Valens. then guy who just posted.
(Dev) twobit = valens.
Guess it matches. He is a twobit dev
Come by and say Hi. I got a good memory, bet I'll remember you!
Nova, whatever you have to tell yourself to justify your thievery. Go for it. You still lose.
More bad news for people who still remain at Wowscape.
The GM who was responsible for destroying the PVE of the BC is back; only this time he is going to be responsible for destroying PvP on Lich King. Here is just a little bit of what he said...
"The changes include updated PvP/Arena's and how they work. What you'll find is that the Arena/Honor rates are much lower and more retail-like, which allows everyone to earn Honor and Arena points like they should. However since in the past both Honor and Arena points were bugged, we've wiped all existing Honor/Arena points to provide a level playing field for all players." - Wolfy
Which means all the Arena/Honor points have been reset! And the rates were jumped down to where you'd need months to raid for a piece of PvP gear. haha! poor scape players. I really feel their pain, but people need to wake up and smell the shit. All this loyalty is nothing but a poor excuse for someone who is so attached to something, that they cannot live without it. In this case it's wowscape. I realized this after the infamous Wolfy ruined TBC. I knew right then and there I either leave or will remain there complaining on the forums forever until they eventually ban me.
I didn't wanna just come here and talk shit about Wowscape so I tried logging into with a few of my toons.
Wowcrack, and Wowlegion are offline. The test realm and Wowscape are the only realms up. Test realm is a joke and was made for people who can't live without wow while ALL the servers were down for a week, or who knows... maybe even a month.
Logging into Wowscape server:
65 DK - ALL of the items GONE. No armor, no weapons (i'm literally naked in my underwear) all the mounts missing as well, 2 gold left in my backpack (and I had way more then that), and ALL the skills from the spellbook vanished. I can't even cast spells on enemies? haaaaahahahhaha
70 Lock (my very first toon i ever made) - Armor/weapons still there, my mounts are gone, and all the spells in the spellbook gone as well. btw, i sent my DK a few g's of gold and they were *poof* gone.. mail bug I assume.
355 people logged on. This is their new 3.1 patch roflmao!!!
I play on http://www.magic-wow.com now. I leveled to 80 in a few days when rates were 20x and now they back down to 12, but it's fun. We raid cities and do other stuff. It's not the best server I'm sure but I was bored. Plus a lot of people from Wowcrack/legion migrated there. I was gonna play on Wowlegacy but couldn't transfer my char to Orion for some gay reason. So I said fuck that! They are so strict with transferring rules.. can't even give me a break and I'm not leveling another toon for a while...
There you have it folks. While the scape servers are fucked to the infinite degree Payton posts about "vote for scapegaming". lol... bitch stfu! no one gonna vote for your non-working, broke ass servers.
Oh yeah.. I don't play Retail anymore because it's horrible. World PvP is completely dead, which is why I even play this game, people sit on their asses in cities doing bgs, arenas, working on professions, and doing a lot of other meaningless shit including raiding raiding and more raiding. This Lich King isn't a "War"craft, it's more of a Workcraft. Bullshit ass Blizzard I tell ya. I am so disappointed with them. spent months leveling to 80 only to find out the game is BORING! No wonder I read so many complaints of people posting on the forums begging Blizz to open a classic or TBC realm.
There was so much PvP back then, but now it's a pathetic excuse to even call that. All the PvP realms are a big joke and should be renamed to PvE because no one does PvP no more.. like ever! When I tried to get a group to raid a city I had people wisping me on some "kill Horde? lol for what? If i wannna kill Horde ill go join a battleground".
And I really thought retail was fun and exciting. I was 100% wrong! Privates for life until their next expansion. And even then I have doubts Blizzard will come up with anything to save WoW that once had its glory days.
100% agree about retail. i am from wowcrack and after wolfy's homo updates i left scape and joined retail. wpvp is indeed dead, it is indeed boring. people dont even want to raid a city with more then 40 because of the achievements. if you raid with 2 groups only 1 can get the bear mount which is the only reason why people even do these raids i assume. why did they create these gay achievements?
So let me make this clear..Wowscape GMs said they were going through massive fixes during the last month and that's why they kept all the servers gone.So now when they finally put them all up online,the only thing I hear is people complaining about missing items,spells and etc.Not to mention the fact that I am still not able to log in.So they spent nearly a month,saying that they will make the server better and all we get is more buggs and people leaving.Wowscape isn't the server it once was.Now it's really a disaster.
here are some views expressed by the Wowcrack players towards Wolfy's return. that topic will most likely be locked soon, people will be warned, and some may be banned..
QUOTE (Laserturkey @ Aug 5 2009, 12:04 AM) *
I guess most of us can agree to that.
Its pretty messed up Wolfy wiped all the guilds without even informing us. It might not be a big deal to him but for people who spent numerous amount of time farming mats and items and stored them in Gbank, its the most fck'd up sh1t that can happen.
Whats next? Make scape go offline and wipe all of our characters and then tell us one week later.
If u are gonna wipe something, you should have announced it first.
I have so much crap to say to Wolfy but im in jeopardy of getting banned. gosh this is (Censored) me off.
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QUOTE (DarkScyX @ Aug 5 2009, 10:21 AM) *
Hmm... Wolfy....
i guess... the idea of a Server its to attract PPL to play in it...
Wolfy its different... EACH TIME he touch the server with one of his idiotic ideas... ppl leave the server...
Crack in the past usually had around 6k to 7k ppl coneccted at the same time...
the problems started... and it fall to an average of 4k...
WOLFY edited the instances... and it went down to 2k of ppl connected...
he LEFT and LK came... ppl start to came back... around 3k of ppl connected in 3.0.9...
now Marcelo left... but someone called 2bit joined... and Wolfy its back again...
Crack HARDLY has 1k of ppl online...
i dont care if 2BIT or WOLFY its the same guy...
but what its CLEAR its that... hes really USELESS keeping Crack alive...
i dont think he will take the TIME to read our complains anyway...
or if he does.... i'll like to recieve a PM from him... something that its almost imposible...
We r better off without Wolfy hanging Aroung... =S
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QUOTE (dAnIeL Xahn @ Aug 5 2009, 01:47 AM) *
Rejoice PVPers of LoLscape: now you need to kill ([u][i]alone[/i][/u]) [b]8,000[/b] players to get the honor for a Medallion of Horde/Alliance.
[b]6 miserable honor points per kill [/b] :lol:
TY [i]Wolfy[/i], the community always will remember the day when PVP died.
.......
how can you not blame Payton for this chaos? She either has no idea what is happening on her own server, or just doesn't care.
ACtually DooDah, I was the original Valens. I was suprised to hear that there was another. Especially the fact that peyton hired someone named valens. I can see where you were confused.
hmm.. to begin with,(@SP)it is an great thing that rules keep being added and revised, what would any server be if the rules from pre tbc was still in play? not only that bu t many of the comments posted (by sp) are extremely misleading. first of all;
-the lag is not that bad, it is actually waaaay better than other private servers.
-fear is not bannable
-hunters can have pets
-bosses are no longer over powered
-yell in SW is not bannable
-I and probably all others connect in 5 seconds 10 at most. We do not spend "15 mins to over an hour waiting on 'Retrieving character list'" and if u can find one person, just one with a screenshot of that in their sig please show me.
finally, i am no gm, nor mod, etc. im just a player of scapegaming who knows how things really are and is disgusted by all these lies.
Fallen wtf are you talking about?
did you even bother to read what i said? when did i ever write that fear is banned atm or hunters pets are disabled in its current patch. i was giving examples of how scape staff deal with bugs and broken spells. they just disable things or ban them instead of fixing. all of my examples were from the BC. lag is way better then other servers? i guess that's why 85% of the people left scape huh?
and if you actually READ what i said about yelling in SW in its entirety, you wouldnt be crying. but i doubt you read anything. probably just skimmed through it.
and the part about connecting. yes, people used to spend anywhere 10 mins to an hour. it used to take that long to get into the char list. i never said it is like that now.
you remind me of a GM ass kisser cuz those are the only ones who take wowscape's side in its current shape which is broken and buggy beyond belief.
here, i checked the first page of general forum on Wowcrack of what people are saying about the server. just for you...
"Truth is... This server, at the moment, is one of the worst. With all the LAG and DC (cant forget the rollbacks -__-), its just unbareable. When i used to play this server, it would be the most populated server. But now... I dont think WoWCrack is worth playing. Half the quest in Northrend dont work. (so now hard for those 70 to level) Im sure after they fix all these buggs, it will be the best again. Til then.." - 87946262
"hey guys want to create a blood elf but i can't when i click create char it remove me from the server what should i do? create a new account? because i really need a belf dk ok ty for answer" - juampaxs
"HELLO MY ROUGE ON WOWCRACK kerimm have big trouble when i login on my character list on kerimm its write he is dead (ghost)when i login on him its look i am aalive all see me i can write on say but when i want use my spells teleports hearthstone itswrite you are dead what should i do pls help mad.gif gm help me becouze you doesnt helping on crack" - AJDINA
Pingor made a topic "Thinking Of Returning To Crack., The topic makes me look like I do drugs doesnt it?" and here are some of the replies...
"Yes, a lot was fixed. We have a lot of working things and the server stays up for about 12+ hours with over 3-4k players without lagging much.
Then we switched to a new emu, now we crash every 15 minutes." - Shadowkid817
"now we have constant 500ppl online and random DCs every 5min..." - Yorikkk
"I don't think this is a good time to return" - Betrayer2
"No stop don't tell him the truth let him update first laugh.gif
Jk.. Really bad time to return" - No3xit
"the crack still remains in the scapegaming's streets... nothing has been fixed, indeed, is even more broken than before" - paicho
"Some horde idiot used broken spell in SW. And after that he killed all people in SW(lucky for me i am rogue)" - Anti
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9880/wowscrnshot080809000630.jpg
Do you want me to keep going?
Oh and next time before you reply please fucking READ what i say. Thanks.
this is how much people love Payton and scapegaming nowadays...
"hello peyton maybe you dont know me, but i know you, lets put the things on the table, you can handle this (Censored) anymore stop talking (Censored) about legal actions you will do NOTHING you read NOTHING take your piece of (Censored) of server and make a hat whit it.
and yeah we will hack all this (Censored) we are all over the world what you gonna do? demand and take legal action again windmills?
your (Censored) server its going doen rolling down a hill and i just HAHA
poor thats donates for this (Censored) and you spend all the money on (Censored) bands that doesnt know how to make music and you find a nooobish of DV for fix things and he cant do a simply wow code... thats why you get hacked everytime , 2 years ago was the same history and you take "legal" actions and what happens? NOTHING!!!!
SOON WE WILL HACK THIS !! yo firewalls are poor (Censored)
go delete my post and ip ban i will be back noobs" - amadplayer
ROFLMAO.. hysterical shit. she has no one to blame but herself for treating her player base so so badly.
people also reported DCs every 15 mins and the chars disappeared from the list. people couldn't log in for a few days. now we all watch her server go down in flames. if it won't the hackers will help her.
Someone call the IRS!!!
wow.... you fuckers need to get a life! I bet when you go outside your skin bursts into flames...lol.... losers
And u need to stop playing tough guy on the net or have ur little scumback skull crashed and shattered. U heard me mother fucker YEAH!!1
scumbag*
Moreover half the ppl playing WoW arent "loosers" like u. Yeah u know ur problem...that one...yep!
As for WoWscape they had it comming. I have allways been amazed how other servers fix everything fast while WoWscape just keeps failing. And well thats what they did. They FAILED! To those still defending them. Enjoy WoWscape while it lasts...while it lasts...
And I was there 5 years from now...such a dissapointment...
Thanks Margaret.
Its true .. everything he posted here is the true story.
I left WoWScape/Scapegaming because of this.
Im on neverendless wow now.
Hm.
Margaret, I don't think you're going to read this a lot, no offense. I think you just needed one more place to paste the link to your site... :) It needs a little more content.
SP, It's a dichotomy. while I have been known to say 'never let your sense of morals interfere with doing what is right', and in a way I find myself applauding your action, I have to say, on reflection, that it was a disappointing action. You COULD have just grassed her up to the IRS. Or Blizzard. Then a lot of this nastiness need never have happened, and a lot of people who have been defrauded would still have their hard-earned money. Instead, you chose to take a personal bite out of the loot, to make yourself feel better. Which indicates that you didn't mind what she was doing, you just minded that you were not getting a bigger piece of the pie.
I'm not being offensive, and this is not a personal attack.
Just that I have read this whole blog now, and I have this talent for condensing fact from the vapor of nuance. I merely speak the truth. I condemn you not, I just wish you'd chosen to give the pie to the poor instead of just swiping a piece for yourself.
Certainly someone needed to give her a kick, but yours wasn't much. especially if you got away with it. That would indicate that she doesn't even know she got screwed, which is a poor revenge to say the least. Is it even revenge when the victim doesn't know anything happened?
My Two Lincolns
JH,
me "take a personal bite out of the loot"? You must have me confused with Nova. I have never profited from Wowscape. The only thing I ever done was play there a little over a year. I didn't even donate when I was actually thinking about it. But towards the end of the summer of 2007 when I started seeing all the shady things happening with Wowscape and how they run things, I completely changed my mind about donating and didn't want to support whatever drama that was always unfolding with Payton, Wolfy, and all her other peoples.
TO TEH PERSON WHO HACKED WOWSCAPE....CONGRATS AND PROPS IN MY OPINION THIS PAGE ISNT ENOUGH TO EXPOSE THEM I FEEL YOU SHOULD SEND THE LOGS AND SCREENSHOTS TO BLIZZARD SO THEY CAN FINALLY SUE PEYTONS FAT ASS THAT BITCH DESERVES TO BE SHUT THE FUCK DOWN.ALL THE CARES ABOUT IS MORE GRAVY ON HER PLATE I HAVE EXPOSED PEYTON ON HER OWN FORUMS AS WELL FOR U HERE IS A LINK TO THE SCREENSHOT OF ONE OF THE 100 POSTS I LEFT SIMULTANEOUSLY ON THEIR FORUMS SO THEY COULDNT DELETE THEM ALL AND THE TRUTH WOULD BE EXPOSED TO THE CURRENT PLAYERS
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9886/99717770.png
Ive played in wowcrack for 3 years and all is thruth...
sadly i like this server and i didnt leave it yet cauze there were no other similar server (no custom things, high rates, no lag) but is just unplayable and we have other options now.
also wowcrack has been down for 4 days or so.
also scapegaming site is down.
i think is the End of wowcrack.
it was good but some day all good things ends =(
Well if you want to ask that twit peyton whats up below is her contact info from a whois on wowscape. This is public record that she provided so enjoy.
Domain name: scapegaming.com
Registrant Contact:
Self
Alyson Reeves ()
Fax:
2509 Westridge
Plano, State 75075
US
Administrative Contact:
Self
Reeves ()
+1.2149381746
Fax: +1.5555555555
2509 Westridge
Plano, State 75075
US
Oops here is her email address also alysonn73@hotmail.com
I do find it amusing since she states her age as 24 on wowscape forums more like 35 she even shows her birth year in her email address
once i gave a GM ticket on WoWscape and i waited 4 days and the GMs didnt answed me so i abendend it now i am playing on another sever i opend a ticket and didnt wait anytime
So... are they finnaly done? I mean, DMCA closed them down?
making that amount of money off someone elses game and emulator is disgusting
i played on wowscape a while ago, but never donated
looks like i made the right decision too
I see that Scape has been down for a week now..... forums, game...everything. Most of the people that didn't already leave for Legacy or magic-wow are at Tenacious now, including almost every one of the GM's. Peyton had not logged in for over 3 weeks, so it was obvious how much she gave a shit for the servers and users. She wrang every cent from the people that played there,The decent GM's who worked there, and then tossed them aside like garbage. Every person that donated should charge back for the past year and give her the same fucking that she give us.
I had a retail account and had invested over $300.00 and got screwed by blizzard which is why I only play private servers so you can brag up retail all you want it sucks the big one worse than any private sever I've ever played on.
There's really several reasons why I left, mainly due to 2 sides of one story and debating who was really at fault here. I mainly left cause of that, lord knows that the truth be told, guilds getting wiped, items and stuff along with characters missing, and remember that nice lil 3.0.9 roll back on login (note the sarcasm) ? Well it came back to 3.2.0. To beat it all, no signs of anything was being fixed. I got fed up with it, then I find out more gms left like a day or 2 afterwards, and realize scape itself is in a downward spiral and is fixing to make the biggest nose dive since Wolfy returned. I was with scape almost 2 years, and after all the shit that went on, like more than half of the others, I said screw it I'm done, found somewhere else.
if you want world pvp on retail, roll Alliance on Illidan. but i am warning you it is hard to level because gankers are everywhere. so if world pvp is what you're after you will find it on Illidan especially Alliance side since they are outnumbered and you develop pvp skills faster because horde is always trying to kill you in the same zones they level in.
I was aware that Paytown was a failure but I didn't know how much she was personally gaining from this O_O
As soon as scapes downtime went to two days with no explanation I decided to leave, the only thing that was keeping me there was my guild, or else I would have left ages ago. I decided to take the leap and leave to Magic-Wow. I'm disgusted that I spent so much time on a server that ended up in such shit, I should have seen this from the start.
And I'd like to say a huge thankyou to Marcelo and the GMs at Magic for starting up a server that I actually like to be a part of.
guys dont worry Scape isnt going
anywhere.. just change your realmlist.wtf file to "set realmlist 208.43.42.163" and enjoy the best
WOW private server !!!
LOL Set my realmlist to ...? WTF are you talking about, I will never ever again going to return to Scape, all said here was the damn truth.
I only regret the time spending there, all the nonsense begining with Wolfy and his crappy scripts (yes, you screwed up the instances), and the meanie staff and GMs (and no, I never got banned, cause I was aware If I made a post or made a comment I would so).
Then those wipes, OMG at least you should announce that the shit is comming and dont delete stuff from ppl (that take at least 2 good years), did you ever leveled and raided any toon dear devs to know how hard is to have you wiped of all you have? Oh yes, you dont care a shit, nor Peyton nor anyone. So bye, just wanted to see Justice has been served!
^^^
Yeah, I can't believe people are actually trying to get back into scape. I came over this article on facebook with one guy asking about wowscape and then saying how all the "sell outs" went to magic and other servers. Yeah buddy, you sure isn't a sell out by trying to go back to all the crap staff were putting all the people through. You showed them!/sacrasm
I had 8 toons on wowcrack but I knew I had to let them go. Some people just don't get it I guess until the very end. And I really hope this is the end of that gestapo team aka "Scapegaming". They got what they deserved for running their organization so ass-backwards and never paying attention to what the PEOPLE was asking them for. Now the same people GTFO out of that shit hole and they are left playing with themselves jerking each other off.
Karma is a bitch ain't it?
and a big FUCK YOU goes out to wolfy. You are the WORST thing that happened to wowscape and I hope you're proud of yourself for being one of, if not THE main individuals to help it die. First you fucked up the tier 6 dungeons (nobody has 20 hours to clear t6 on a private server. you didn't understand it then, but at least do you understand it now? I highly doubt it), then the guild wipe, then the honor wipe. Every time you touched wowscape people fled to other servers or retail. And no matter how many times I or 95% of wowscape community tried to tell you that you are WRONG with your changes, and that wowscape will SUFFER and DIE from all the people leaving yo all, you didn't listen but kept spewing up the same "blizz-like" answer.
But I don't really care about wolfy or any scape staff anymore. This is just how I felt at the time of playing there. And I KNOW I wasn't the only one.
I've ACTUALLY read EVERY SINGLE comment and reply on this blog and the only things i have to reply to SP is..
He is 100% correct!
4 years ago, i tried out wowscapes servers such as wow crack and wow scape ( fun server) and the first things i saw was fly hacks, speed hacks in the BEGINNERS AREA, and power abusing GM so called * gods* ruling and banning whoever spoke their minds about ANYTHING. im glad i quit after 3 weeks of playing 3 hours straight in that horrid server. im glad SP is speaking up because people need to read it. I also had an email from a former gm of that fucking server who told anyone who would read that email that peyton was stiring up drama and she is just cashing in on anyone who pays as well as using the ENTIRE server as a cashcow and start milking it to death. its so funny how blizzard tracked her down and fucked her up. Im so glad i didnt donate because i would be a piece of the shame too.
Oh yeah..
props to the guy who suggested Illidan server on retail. I did some research and there is indeed a lot of World PvP happening everywhere on that server but it's more intense for the Alliance because there is around 15k Horde and 5k Allies. I read on their forums too that at 80 it's fun as shit being Alliance if you love World PvP (and that is why I even play the game) because red is everywhere. Some guilds transferred factions because of this.
I will be coming to Alliance on Illidan whenever I get my account reactivated. After playing on that piece of shit Tichondrius server with 95% dick heads who troll anything you say and don't even want to help you when you getting ganked, I thought all of retail was the same. I guess it depends on the server *shrugs*
"I've ACTUALLY read EVERY SINGLE comment and reply on this blog and the only things i have to reply to SP is..
He is 100% correct!
4 years ago, i tried out wowscapes servers such as wow crack and wow scape ( fun server) and the first things i saw was fly hacks, speed hacks in the BEGINNERS AREA, and power abusing GM so called * gods* ruling and banning whoever spoke their minds about ANYTHING. im glad i quit after 3 weeks of playing 3 hours straight in that horrid server. im glad SP is speaking up because people need to read it. I also had an email from a former gm of that fucking server who told anyone who would read that email that peyton was stiring up drama and she is just cashing in on anyone who pays as well as using the ENTIRE server as a cashcow and start milking it to death. its so funny how blizzard tracked her down and fucked her up. Im so glad i didnt donate because i would be a piece of the shame too."
thanks Andrew.
And don't forget the time when Payton posted a thread with her no talented ass band and said she will ip ban anyone who says anything negative about them. LMAO! then she would delete all the negative comments posted on youtube. hahahahahhahahaha omg some peoples' egos are so fucking big.. ip ban for saying your band sux??? well... YOUR BAND SUX!!!
I reported her sorry ass to blizzard about a week or so ago and I'm glad they finally shut her sorry ass down. I remember when she said she'd ip ban anyone who said her band sucked and even intentionally tried getting myself ip banned by saying how they sucked and a bunch of other stuff and never got banned. I hope they do sue her and take everything she owns because she doesn't deserve any of it the way she treated people. The sad part is when she would always say she "loves" everyone and all the ass kissing morons who claimed their love for her. I wonder how much they love her now.. lol.
From the what I've read about Peyton here and on other websites... she seems to be the One abusing power seriously, followed by her team. Now I do hope she gets sued and paid back for what she's done to many people - this injustice has to come to an end. And hope anyone being lied by her will come to their conscience as well.
But in reality, this is not a sole incidence; you could meet this type of person in companies and other social organizations (as I've met & heard): some people just crave for powers and money. Nonetheless, at the same time, reserve some 'mercy' for them, just hoping one day they'll come to their senses. sigh. People are who they are for a reason.
Well from what I learned not long ago, 2bit is running the scape servers, and supposedly its just temporary. even so I don't care. Also found out that Scapegaming is "supposed" to be going through another name change, etc. Look at all the times scape players had from Marcello entering scape, and leaving. Guilds we're STILL intact after he left, 2bit comes, along with the return of the fucktard Wolfy, and guilds, gear, and other things gets wiped, and guess who got the blame on it. Straight up, scape is going down hard and fast, and I don't think 2bit can save scapegamings, excuse me, "2bitgaming's" ass outta this one.
Come to Cachewow! There is a post about it up in the comments but I thought I post aswell :) The server is like a private retail. Every talent and spell pet and pet talent and pet spell works + the mobs are scripted shoot with arrows root you then run away summon something and start fireballing you lol. They dual wield and emote its amazing! The population is short however about 50 people online but this is because the server is kinda new and too deep into WoWTop100. I can however assure you this is the best server u've played after retail! Please give it a chance you wouldn't believe a retail clone before u've seen this.
http://cachewow.com/
Its made by DooDah as a revenge to WoWscape and players will get 10% of the donations once it starts getting abit more populated. Yes there are donations but they its just end-game gear. 2 servers: Saga (PvE:( and Bloodlust wich is supposed to turn into a custom something one and it'll be pvp. The server has LoS and everything too. Come check it out!
Also ap and sd scale propperly there. With PvP on PvE geared characters you will be seeing 8k Conflagrates and 12k Crus Strikes 14k Ambushes. Just like retail :)
It changes however with resi by...well...ALOT! Resi fully works aswell.
Also Naxx is fully working + scripted. OS aswell and EoE is getting worked on to come. Ulduar works too although only half of it is out. Scripted ofcourse. U cant imagine a private server of this calliber pls come see it :)
http://cachewow.com/
fuck a cachwow, come to magic and watch me pwn Horde all day until lowbies start crying "waaaaaaah Flyby killed me and im only 25, ban him!"
I guess that's the life of a Legend, the Myth, the Mystery. Haters everywhere tryina take my spot in these dangerous wow-magic streets
I doesn't matter where you go,
Tenacious, Cache, Legacy, Magic ..... They are all better than scape, and none are run by a money hungry woman that will disappear when the money stops flowing.
If you liked the staff though, they are all at Tenacious!
Scape is officially off top100 list.
R.I.P. Scapegaming
*pisses on its grave*
this gotta be a joke though...
PwnScape
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tried clicking on the link but it just brings me back to the top100 site. Even in death there is someone making fun of Payton and her server.
What can I say, I left scape (legion) too after they have destroyed all (community, fun, game, toons).
I'm on magic-wow now, very nice server and community (most of them from scape) and I can say it's above Legion at its peak.
Cya all there!!
I found this
http://www.wow.com/tag/alyson-reeves/
It was posted yesterday (at time of me posting this) so maybe it's useful information for you guys :)
I used to play on Wowscape. I got sick of all the disconnections and just left though. I had no idea about all of the shady stuff that was going on.
Yeah, I heard about this.
But what's the point of Blizzard suing Payton now when all the servers are down, and been down for sometime..
I've read the filed complaint. Essencially, Blizzard wants the servers and website shut down and wants an "undetermined monetary value" for a number of reasons.
Give it a good read if you want a laugh.
http://www.mmoglider.com/Legal/ReevesComplaint.pdf
Vengeance is sweet.
Scape had it coming. Now I wonder what's wrong with magicwow? It's offline also.
-Bolegh(Warriors From Beyond)
well, the news got funnier.. peyton finnaly was sucessfully sued in a case against bliz, and she lost.
i was a GM at scape for about 3 months.. it was amiserable three months, and i quit finally because of the lack of integrety. however, i have to admit, i quit partially because there was a possibility of working at legacy, but a day after i posted my resignation, i realized i didnt want to work for them either, seeing as they have as much integrety as peyton, though it was fueled with bitterness. at the same time, they were quite self rightious about it.
recently i watched marcello literally steal scapes population, and announced and successfully host attacks on scape, hence, i didnt want to work on their team either, and i didnt even bother heading there...
then there was doodah, with his cache wow. which to me, the name sounds like his intentions were onesighted; Cash WoW. for a while, we used to talk on msn,, and he one night was telling me about his views on private servers, that most people play on a server depending on how much or many ways they can cheat and get away with it,, then he let me know he intended to fix some things, and leave other things for players to exploit. to me, that sounded like a promis of shitty quality, and i want somthing better than that. i ran solidarity on wowcrack for a year and a quarter, and i honestly felt that that isnt the quality of a server or staff i wanted to subject my long time friends to.
thankfully though, i've found a rather impressive server, thats run by the people i actually used to play with, and we built from the ground up with our own devs and a wonderfull staff, and got a clean start, without compromising our integrety in the same ways that legacy and marcello did. we have kept our promis's, and grown this server into somthing that i've grown quite attached to. Mystery Project is my home now, and i intend to stay, and watch it grow. if anyone is interested, Mystery-project.com
i salute you all, the veterans of scape xD
-xoseptember
btw, if you do join he forums there, please pm me and say hi, i love talking to people :)
I personally played the server for roughly 2 years during the good days (wowscape) and spent roughly $600 Australian on donor items on multiple characters, back then i had a great time and it seemed worth it for the hours and hours of fun i had 1 shotting people, but after reading that i feel sick in the stomach wasting all that money for it now being wotlk, my accounts are gone, cant play and the pathetic server is at the point of no return thanks to that greedy slag peyton fucking us all over and letting it all go to shit, so please peyton, thanks for nothing you useless mooch
ty for explanation... wowscape was once great server and now.. is just piece of shit... :P
I really love how stupid some people can be.
You realize there's a limit to hardware power, correct? You can't spend $500,000 a month on an OMFG SUPERPOWERFUL MEGAULTIMATE SERVER CLUSTER! There's a threshold where adding more power really doesn't do shit to help. There's a limit to what money can buy. There's a limit to what a single internet connection can handle. What the fuck is she supposed to do with all the extra money the server earns? I don't care if she pockets the leftovers. You don't fucking get that this is a FREE SERVICE provided by these people. You aren't fucking entitled to shit when you are giving nothing in return. They choose to allow you to play free, and give you options to donate (DONATE! NOT PURCHASE, DONATE! THERE IS A HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE!) and receive bonuses for saod donations.
Also, let me mention one thing. The donation screenshot thing that has been waved around so much was taken... RIGHT AFTER CHRISTMAS. What do 50% of kids and teens get for Christmas? MONEY. Guess what I bought right after Christmas? Some donor gear. With the money I had gotten two weeks before, on CHRISTMAS. I doubt they make that much yearlong.
Next topic:
A large portion of the lag is caused by... wait for it... dumbasses like you! Whodathunkit? The people who constantly attack the server, DDoS it and try to crash it, hack it, etc. You realize that these attempts waste bandwidth and CPU cycles, correct? Perhaps if you had any fucking knowledge of what you were talking about, you'd realize this.
Feel free to tell me I'm misinformed, stupid and I follow blindly.
Honestly, WoWScape wouldn't be going through half the shit you keep talking about if you asshats didn't cause it. The lawsuit from Blizz of course isn't included in that, I don't blame you dumbasses for that. That was inevitable, we all knew it would happen eventually.
This always happens with the biggest name in anything. Microsoft is constantly under attack by customers because of how "shitty their OS is." If it was really so shitty, why do so many people use it? Same goes for WoWscape. Before you guys fucked it up, anyway.
After reading the complaint, notice the "prayer for relief" section at the bottom of the complaint where Blizzard asks in sections C & D for turnover of all information, data, etc, and restraint on defendants from further engaging in the activity.
I knew this was coming for some time once the interworkings of wowscape turned dissident and calous. According to those sections, this Peyton is in serious trouble and will most likely face jail time, set by a judge, pay penalties far exceeding anything earned during her operational time, and believe me, once the auditors and IRS get finish with her accounts, it's going to be a sum in the millions, tens of millions. How much will be physically awarded is, again, a judges decision.
I was just googling scape today, curious what happened after being away for so long, and gotta say, didn't think blizzard would be this aggressive, but i posted on wowscape warning of this end, and of course my post was removed, and I was silented.
Ah, gotta love the greedy and ignorant. there's a great quote in there, but a typical fitting end nonetheless.
I once was apart of the awesomeness known as the WoWscape server. I used to love playing on that server. I had 4 level 70s and 2 level 80s. We are talking about a year and a half ago. The truth was revealed to me in the summer, when peyton went on a bitch rampage. if you think about it she basically STOLE our time and money. She is such a useless bitch...im sorry but sometimes the truth must be revealed.
I am now on retail and i love it more than ever. I agree with the poster on this topic. This whole thing is in the name of money. Nothing will ever beat retail.
Private servers are supposed to be fun. BUT HOW WAS THAT FUN!? it was at one time but never was again after this past summer. I got banned for 4 days because i asked a GM about an item i had payed for. that's right PAYED for. and i NEVER received my item. when i bitched about it on the forums...I WAS BANNED FOR 1 MONTH...that is when i completely forgot about that stupid ass server and its greedy mooching poor ass GM's.
All in all, wowscape was ONCE a private server. but cant u people see what money and greed can do to a whole community? A community that was once a family, and now they are enemies.
okay i'm going to post this as anonymous, but I'll give you what you came for.
Name: Christopher A. Pitsos
Job title: Former USN sailor- ET baby
WowScape Username: I had a few.. Sinisterdeth-lvl 80 DONOR Blood Elf Rogue-$300, Sinistedeath-lvl 80 DONOR Gnome Rogue-$300 Detect-lvl 80 DONOR Human Warrior-$450 as well as 3 FULL DONOR Death Knights-$1200
Who the (BEEP) is that stupid?!?!: Not just me
I am here to tell you that EVERY bad word you have read about this server is true. It is a conspiracy. Tell me this though: What private server isn't a conspiracy? Got an answer? No. if you do, you're wrong about them. I personally feel that Peyton was a crook and I expected the server to go down eventually, though I did enjoy playing it while on duty with no watch-standing. I am slightly upset that the server went down, and looking back now that 2 grand would be really helpful right now. I have a story... I was a 17 year old kid once who knew nothing about life, and didn't care how he spent it as long as he was making money. I enlisted in the USN in 2008, which lasted all of 11 months. On Christmas of 2008 I was in a terrible car accident that left me concussed and the Dodge Ram 1500 about the size of your average beer can. I am lucky to be alive, and I thank God for this blessing every day. I told you that to tell you this: I have since been discharged from the USN due to brain damage, and I get no pension. I cannot get a job because I have an occasional memory loss (dangerous) and I cannot collect a government check because I'm not retarded enough. 2 grand is nothing when you have a job, a good life, and a possible career looking you in the eye, but one minor mistake, such as punching the accelerator too hard on a wet road, can lead to tragedy. I'm here to tell you that I lived through tragedy. The whole reason I had gone home that Christmas was because my mother's house had burnt to the ground, days after her ex-husband stopped paying the insurance. You know how they say "money makes the world go round?," well add this one to your collection "a big loss of money can stop time and all possibilities." (That quote is by me by the way if you want to use it and give credit where it's due.) Anyhow, Peyton, I'm not gonna censor myself to you. I think you're a BITCH for what you've done to so many people worldwide. You WILL ,in fact, burn in hell. May your life be long and painful.
Thanks to all who read this. If you'd like to comment on my post I doubt I'll be back on these forums, but feel free to E-Mail me at: Jan21tn@aol.com or Cpitsos@gmail.com
Also, thanks to all who commented negatively on this subject, you were all pretty close to the correct story.
Point and case: Don't mess with donating to private servers, donate to your own bank instead of someone else's.
Thanks. God Bless.
Well, Mr. Pitsos, you're a dumbass as well as an attention whore.
You didn't need to give us your backstory, true or not. You're trying to make somebody feel bad for you, so piss off.
If you donated (please look up what donate means, it's not the same as purchase) $2,000 to a private server instead of paying for retail, you're a fucking idiot.
I know why you did it, though. Because by paying lots and lots of money, you get to be better than everybody else, and that fits in with your attention whore-y personality and makes you feel good about yourself. You can't do that on retail.
Please, one of you idiots who actually thinks this way and thinks that Peyton is a crook, feel free to contact me. My aim is itsdafuzzcheezit. I'd love to hear what delusional mind lapses have caused you to think this way so that I may better understand your dumbassery.
You all seem to think you're fucking entitled to a free service and that WoWscape shouldn't be allowed to profit from it. It's not a goddamn charity. They have to put their own time into this and they deserve to be compensated for it.
Why not tear down Blizzard's door too? They make money off of WoW. But at least Scape lets you play for free with the /option/ to /donate/. Blizzard doesn't. Please, contact me and explain WHY you think this way, I'm honestly curious.
Thanks for the save, I was reinstalling warcraft cause i wanted to get back on wowscape. Not anymore :P. This wow legacy site sounds pretty solid though.
wowlegacy is shit, with a reputation about as solid as peytons. heard somthing abotu magicwow merging with them.. that puts two server owners with no integrety under one roof. say hello tot eh new wowscape.. both of these guys admitidly hosted attacks on scapes property. while i hate scape, these guys sure as fuckin hell havnt show theya re any better than peyton.. and word is that their servers are every bit as laggy as scape ever was.
if legacy is your definition of solid, then you better hope you got some one to look after your gulable ass O.o
S7fu Kyle...u bloody fail u stupid nerd. If they did work the server wouldnt had been this bad, laggy, bugged, offline, banning people for no reason, not answering any questions, not keeping promises, having donation gear for thousands of dolars, firing people for revealing inside stuff, wiping: characters, gbanks, money, items people spent years OF THEIR LIFE!collecting, not returning donations after this or items, wasting 70% of the money on a band (20% sallary) when they could use them to fix the server, lieing to the people, going wotlk and still being buggy about 1 year after it came out, keeping the people misinformed about half the servers and then wiping them(Battlescape and that pre-tbc one and also that instance one where everything was scripted like retail...not), making decisions simple as this over months and months where other servers take maximum 1 week for the most difficult ones, ignoring players and their oppinion excluding the rare cases where they actualy listened, getting sued by blizz from all the hundreDs of thousands of servers out there (something must be wrong.)...should I go on more? I was there in the beginning of it and it was a good server...for some time. Then it just started failing and failing.
Stupid nerd? Sounds like an oxymoron to me. Anyways, Ico, you clearly don't understand how programming or basic business works. I'll offer a rebuttal to each of your points. I spent a good 20 minutes writing this so you damn well better read it.
For the longest time, WoWscape was the least buggy, most popular server, until all the recent shit started up. You can't blame them for falling behind after dealing with constant attacks from dumbasses like you, plus the recent lawsuit.
I've never seen a person get banned for no reason, that's generally what people say when they were mouthing off to the mods and got banhamma'd for it. Every single GM I met was cool and friendly. I've seen one lose his temper when people wouldn't stop acting like idiots, but he gave them fair warning more than once, and they didn't listen, so good riddance. I don't want people like that on my server anyways.
First of all, they aren't obligated to answer questions. Second of all, what questions were not answered?
Promises: Same as above.
They have expensive donation gear so that not every 12 year old with a $25 gift card can become "uberleet." If it was cheaper, you'd bitch about how cheap it was and how everybody can get it and how it ruins the game.
I don't know the full story about firing people for revealing "inside stuff" so please enlighten me.
I have an account that's well over 2 years old that worked before I left (due to IRL issues, not because I hated the server) and I'm willing to bet it's still there.
Not to mention, they rarely do a "wipe." They do rollbacks, meaning you don't lose everything, just a few days of work. It won't kill you to do another raid if you've already done 500 to get your gear.
You don't seem to understand the word "donation." To donate means to give freely without expecting anything in return. They choose to reward those who donate with in-game items. If you donate $25 to some television charity and they send you a tote-bag, but it breaks, would you ask for oyur money back? If you would, you're a complete prick.
You can't just spend money to make better software. Programming takes time, not money. You can't just hire 500 programmers and tell them to get to work, because then nobody would be able to keep track of what the other did, and chaos would destroy the project from the inside out.
How were they keeping us "misinformed?"
I've heard about all the shit Crack had, and from the way it sounds, that was because of another staff member, so bitch at him, not Peyton. It's not her responsibility to read every line of code or script he writes. She hired him to do his job, and he fucked up. His fault.
What decisions? I have no idea what you are talking about. And you can't say that same decision would take another server a week when it took us a month. First of all, how can you know if they haven't made the decision? Second of all, people handle decision-making differently.
What opinions? You need to be more clear on your statements.
The reason Scape is getting sued and not the others is because Scape was the top dog. You take the top dog down and all the puppies scramble.
Also, I don't know how to Shut Seven Fuck Up.
On a side note, I love arguing on the internet. Hell, I love arguing in general. Debate is fun. BRING IT ON.
Kyle reminds me of all the GM ass-kissers on scape. He probably was one of those "Community Helpers", and with enough ass-kissing I'm sure he got promoted.
LMAO@spending 20 minutes pouring your soul into defending a failed server like "Scapegaming". Yep, you are indeed a nerd.
I didn't read the word of it past the 1st paragraph.
If you didn't read past the 1st paragraph, then you have no right to say anything about the content. You do, however, have the right to piss off and keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. I'll respect what you have to say when you take the time to read and create a proper response.
I was never any part of the staff, nor did I ever "ass-kiss." I simply give credit where it is due. I probably could have gotten a GM spot if I tried, since I had been around since 2006. But then I look around and see disrespectful asshats like yourself and I think "Why bother."
20 minutes to pour my soul? No, that would take hours, if not days. 20 minutes for someone with as little soul as you, maybe.
You might as well stop calling me a nerd, I don't find it offensive. It's what I am and I'll never deny it.
heres the problem all private servers will face- man power, and reliability of staff. everyone that does this work, 90% of the time isnt being paid to. in scapes case they started out paying their GM's, their devs and ecetera. but int he case of development, while they had burlex, thats ALL they had pretty much. here is no development "team". and for that matter.. the core that burlex turned out, was basically a stripped down version of the "origional" core. the way i hear it if you look it up, most of all the cores available were derived from one origional core that some one with a little programing knowlage was able to put togather.
far as i'm concerned, burlex made his name well known because he striped one down enough and patched it in ways htat increased stability and required less processing- it was shit form the start. they made up for a lack of hardware with less programing. for example, taking out collisions, Disabling LOS, fuck, burlex even removed fall damage for a period of about 2-3 weeks. scape's core was build to maintain a high population, and that was it. thats all. and peyton being a dumbass that doesnt understand that shit wanted to patent burlex's work. i lol'd at all her shit about lawyers and patents.
anyway back to my main point- all servers usually end up with one person toa few people working development, and in alot of case's when the teams larger, theres less knowlagable people that are not quite as talented as they'd like to beleive. i beleive that everything in a server can completely emulate retail- it IS possible to engineer somthing that follows it as closely as possible, but the trick is setting it up. and with all these small time private servers out there with there 1-2 programing savy devs, all out there doing their own thing, that isnt gonna happen.
"Programming takes time, not money. You can't just hire 500 programmers and tell them to get to work, because then nobody would be able to keep track of what the other did, and chaos would destroy the project from the inside out."- a dumbass.
this is what proper management is for.
no one in this "buisiness" is a proffessional, and anyone that takes initiative hardly ever gets taken seriously. stress levels are high when you attempt. this is a real job, a full time position. and hello... it doesnt pay.
the reason scape is being sued is because peyton wants to patent an emulated core. Blizzard fully owns everyting involved except the shitty scape core, but it is a violation of their service agreement, and becomes a violation of copyright when she is trying to patent it.in short, peyton is being sued because she wants to own things that do not belong to her.
and Kyle, as for your excerpts on GM's.. i'll tell you what it was like GMing at scape. At scape, it is tough to maintain a professional and fair manerism.. every day there was new shit form players, people acting stupid, trying to test your nervs. you helped who you could, and screwed the assholes.that, is the base of scape gming mentality, and everyone i saw appeared to follow it. personally for me, i tried to maintain my costomer service training from AT&T. i adhered closely to the rules, and enforced them as close'y as i could. and apparently i set an example from one standpoint. early on int he job, i remember appearing to one player in SW to do their ticket. we wernt alowed to teleport players to us anymore because people had a tendency to leave tickets open in raids, and they'd get mad when we pulled them out. anyway, i spent 15 mins just trying to gett he players attention due to all the spam in SW that really belongs in the lfg channel. needless to say, i finnaly got pissed about it.. soo.. i pulled up the rules, and camped SW for about 3 hours, processing mutes and kicks for public channel spam, and giving out alternatives to spaming in SW. you can see mention of this in earlier posts on this site. over the next few weeks, some of the other GM's that were hired in my group at the same time also adhered to this policy, and eventually it caught on.
after a while i gave up ont he mute SW campaign if thats what you wanna call it- i simply got sick of documenting all the kicks mutes and bans. at some other point i focused mostly on appearing onb raids and banning people that were exploiting raids, and then following up on reported people in the forums.
i also had a number of issues witha particular player named magiclike- he was reported to have "tapped" the skull of guldans abilities multiple times ina row whent he thing has a CD. and i personally had run ins with him where h'd dive mounted form 40 feet int he air on top of me while i'm stealthed, free's me to the ground, and hit me with a 3k icelance, and then a 9k frostbolt.
if you are wondering why this story is relevent, its to show you the contentment and other shit we had to live with. being on staff-
i followed him to the throne of the elements oneday where he was farming elementals, and found that he was uisng the skull of guldan without a CD. soo, in compliance with the rules, i banned him. and documented it with a timestamped combat log. not even 30 mins later he was unbanned, so i supposed i did it wrong, soo, i rebanned him. 5 mins after that he was back in and bitching at me about my "BS ban" over global. and one of the executives stated not to repeal their decisions, and they they didnt have to explain their decisions. now, people stated that it was because Magiclike was a friend of burlex's.. i'm confident that wasnt the case, because burlex was long gone at that point. rather, i think he was the son of one of the executives. i really dont know what the relationship is however. but i do know that magiclikes account was banned by feryl around a month after i resigned, because multiple spells form the DB had been .learned to magiclikes character. i resigned because i couldnt work in an enviroment that was that fucked up, and i was offered a place at legacy which was denied soon after my resignation. not long after that, Mr Pumpkin panda was fired form scape for selling items under the table on scapes WoWLegacy server. one of the few other corruptions. aditionally Faith herself used to give out free shit to people. i honestly dont know how far the corruption goes, but as i satted before, no one in this buisiness is a proffessional, and everyone is appearing to be out for #1.
over the following months i watched as marcello was hired, and trinity. then over time, i watched as marcello claimed to have found incriminating shit on peyton, and quit stating that he'd be hosting attacks on scape. you can still google the site i think and see the cached info where he said he would.legacy itself has also hosted its own attacks.. and soon marcello's server and legacy are expected to merge. from what i've heard, its no better than how scape was.
no one in this buisiness is a professional. well, rather, theres hardly anyone in it that is.
-xoseptember
i know the last three comments before this, though mine, have been rather long, but this is just half what i got to watch, and half what i was informed of as i perceived events unfolding. thanks for readin.
The nerve of this nerd coming in here insulting someone in a wheelchair just to defend the most corrupted private server in the history of WoW. I have EVERY right to say ANYTHING about any garbage that comes out of your mouth. THIS IS MY BLOG! I can do whatever the hell I want, and so can anyone else. If they don't wanna read the crap you spew out, they have EVERY right to do so. If they wanna tell you to STFU, they can do that too. THIS IS THE INTERNET YOU RETARD.
Talking about I have no soul. When Payton have stolen from so many people, INCLUDING the ORIGINAL CREATORS OF WORLD OF WARCRAFT-BLIZZARD. If this ain't your game, you have no right to steal money from others and putting the label "donations" on it. People claim how much they love WoW but yet they give NOTHING to the original creators. Not even spending their money on the game itself. Leaches, parasites, that's what you all are. Then you here bitching about others telling their stories. STFU!
Now go away. No one cares what you have to say other then the ass kissers of Payton and all the staff of Wowscape put together.
SP, I know you don't like to read I'll deal with you in the next post to spare you.
Anonymous #1;
I agree with everything you have said.
The only issue is:
"this is what proper management is for."
Do you really expect a private server to have proper management? It's not a real business. Anybody with management potential and a brain would steer clear of a private server due to the fact that it's a legal grey area.
Anonymous #2/3/4:
You are the first person to present information in an intelligent way, and I salute you. I actually believe some of the stuff you are saying, because you aren't taking a complete haterapemaimkill stance on it, you are simply trying to share information.
I never heard the bit about trying to patent the core, though I didn't read /every/ comment here. About halfway through I was fed up with most of the crap being spewed.
That does skew my views slightly, though I still support Scape. And I can completely understand how you feel about GMing, that's one of the reasons I never applied. Any server with a lot of people also has a lot of dumbasses.
I also don't like the fact that some admins are giving preferential treatment, but that happens in nearly every organization, so meh. Nothing I can personally do about it. I don't mind Faith giving out free stuff, though, so long as she's doing it randomly and not just for her (his?) friends.
Alright, this one is for you, SP.
You're in a wheelchair? Ok, I didn't know that. But I never made a joke about you being in a wheelchair or tried to anger you about it. I talked to you like a normal person. I couldn't care less if you're in a wheelchair, you're a human being and I'll talk to you the way I talk to everybody else. You don't get preferential treatment just because you're handicapped.
I never said you don't have the right to do whatever you want on your blog. Feel free to tell me to STFU and not read my posts, I don't care. But if you don't read them, you can't pass judgment on them.
"People claim how much they love WoW but yet they give NOTHING to the original creators"
And yet you play on private servers. Nothing more to be said here.
"No one cares what you have to say other then the ass kissers of Payton and all the staff of Wowscape"
The same could be said of you and your anti-scape rants.
Also, just felt like throwing another thanks to the guy above SP. I'd love to hear more about your side of the story, if you don't mind typing out more than you already have.
Something I forgot to cover, I don't think I ever tried to insult you as your first line said. I simply presented my side of the argument. I'm looking for an honest debate without underhanded tricks like pulling the pity card.
kyle-if you were active at all on scapes old forums, you'd have seen multiple times that she herself stated she was trying to get a patent on scapes core after burlex left.
the poreferential treatment from faith was being given to people that had donated alot and were well known to her, includidng one donor on the blizlike rates server they had, and another donor with a clearly shaddey and splotchy past, the guys name was hellsteel. however, in his case, she hired him as a GM. some of the things he did included getting preasuring gm's such as selraith and myself into doing thigns we shouldnt- however the most i did for himw as help his girlfriend lvl a few levels. other things he did included being fun through boss's by other GM's, flyhacking, bugging boss's, flying around in taneras on a magic broom- he's been banned for meta gem stacking which involves using programs specifically stated to be bannable in scapes own rules- yet he was still hired to be a gm by faith and her staff thoguh this info was well known, and it had alot to do witht eh fact he donated around 400$ to the server and kissed her ass.
it is a well known fact, that no one in this buisiness is a professional, and you cant expect people to act professionally. however, i would think that people would still place some value in such things as integrety, which is somthing EVERYONE can be held accountable for. i seriously dont understand why you would still support an organization of people that have proven time and time agan, they they have none.
bah pardon my typo's, i'm a little tired and not going back over to proof what i type.
however, the basic idea's of what i'm saying should come across if you are as intelligent as you think you are.
as for my side of the story, its just my personal experience, and what i was able to observe happening right in front of me. a long time ago, when i first started wow (and i started playing wow in scapes servers) it was about the time thatt he site wowscaped.come was started, and thats when i first got a whif of what was going on. all you have to do after reading somthing like that, is follow whats happening around you.
i've whitnessed some really underhanded things in my time being around scape- the worst of which was when they set all scapes servers to shut down and send out a mass mailer to everyone- youc an google the screenshots of that mass pming ont he forums still even. that attack was hosted by legacy, and they executed it by infecting feyrl himself with a keylogger, by which they got all his pass's and other information. feyrl was already on the verge of quiting because the things going on wernt sitting well with him, and after getting hacked like that, he threw int he towel and quit it all togather once and for all. he was never involved with legacy, as some of scapes gm's had speculated. after a 2 year tour on scapes home front, feyrl was ready to quit.
theres sooo many more things i can go into detail on.. if youw anna know about doodah, where he's been and whgat he's up to, i can write another essay abotu that- but what it ammounted to was that doodah was tired of the way peyton ran things- how we didnt have a dev, and he was willing to help but his help wasnt being accepted. he got into a pissing contest with peyton.. and she finaly fired him int he end. he took the opportunity to make himself look like a mayrter, to try gaining support against peyton into leaving, he joined legacy, and eventually left right before the attack previously mentioned about legacy hacking feyrl. doodah stated he was happy he left before they tainted his name. doodah remained self righteous abotu his abilities and began cache wow, and he explained to me his buisiness plan for there, and i resolved not to work with him on it though he mad ean offer or two for me to join his staff, the same way he was trying to get me on legacy's staff...
i started working for MP's server, and i recently resigned there becuase i cant take the stress anymore of managing, planning, and all the decisions that needed to be made, people that needed to be monitored- its not a job that pays ofc. as with any server. but i beleive int he server there enough because they havnt been spewing BS, and everything they've said, they've been honest. and that means more to me than alot of things. they work hard, and they turn results. all i can really say. if you have anymore questions feel free to ask
also, a little more information-
scapes old server data has been ported for use with the Mangos core- its being run at 2bit game nearly as out of the box. they still dont have line of sight, however they do have mob chain pulls now, which means that if you pull a mob near a wall, its goign to pull all the mobs close to it ont he other side of the wall. i played about 9 hours there to geta feel of the server 2 weeks ago, and as far as i know, it still hasnt improved since.
however, a number of servers closed recently, causing people to seek out their accounts in scapes old servers, which has rocketed their population form being somewhere around 90-100 people being online in some of their servers, to being around the 2k peopel that were there just before scapes servers shut down, and the play quality is just as poor as before, being that most class's are still riddled with bugs making at least 2 outa three full tree specs compleatly unreasonable to play. they still have their anti cheat devices in place, which DC you if if detects that you move a great distance int he form of a warp, or suddent position displacement. whent he servers population reaches peak hours, pallies will find these disconnects to be really frequent due to having a higher mounted speed, and the lags making their displacements seem to be caused ont he client side. whent he server lags, these anti cheat devices are extreemly noticable and can happen to anyone.
i still find myself disappointed that no one really feels like they should move on, find a better place to play and stick with it.. and bring their friends there. not alot of servers maintain their hardware to contain the large multitudes of people, and the excuse is always that the software inherently cant support the multitudes of people- at least that was always scapes excuse.
wowcrack at one point used to contain over 6k-7k players at peak hours, but thatwas without anyting scripted and other mechanics being taken out.whent hey started scripting a few things in order to make sure there was still a donation drive.. the hardeware was never updated. burlex designed the core to be stripped down for a reason; to be cost efficient to maintain. there isnt much left to say at this point ._.
Sorry, haven't had time to type a proper response lately.
And I have to admit, when somebody actually presents useful information that isn't completely slanted with hateslander, it's a little more convincing.
Peyton wanting to patent the core definitely is a stupid move, and it does sound like she was a bit controlling and had a personal agenda, but what else is new in the corporate world? Every businessman, CEO, and whatever else has the exact same lust for power and a drive to push their own agenda. I'm not saying it's right, but that's never going to change.
From the way it sounds, all these servers seem to be engaged in a bitchslap fight, so none of them look particularly good right now.
What server do you mean when you say MP's server?
MP = MysteryProject
it was started by group of people from wowcrack wanting to make a server that did everytthing wowcrack didnt. it was pretty awsome during 3.1.3, everyting was fixed, right down to the scripting for the no flyzones and parachutes, to intire class talents working,, after the update to 3.2.2a, theres of course alot that has to be caught up on, but durdens been working hard, and hasnt been giving us bullshit.i'm still convinced that as far as hunters go, MP is the only server that has a fully working and playable Beastmaster spec and pet system, not to mention pets being the right size. i'm sorta taking a short break from playing wow at the moment though, and playing an old game named freelancer, but if you go to check out mp, let me know. their promotionals might be over by now i'm not sure, but i know that they keep character restorations up and running, and they have a decent system for that
the reason i'm taking a break from playing wow ofc, is so i dont get burned out on it @_@
im not in a wheelchair Kyle. but the guy who you insulted is. then you come here talking about "I just wanna have a debate". you funny. and who said I play on privates? since I joined retail I never looked back.
I can afford retail right now, so I play on it. All these other people who can afford the REAL WoW and leech off privates make me sick.
Xoseptember, I'll be sure to look into that server.
SP;
First of all, I saw no mention of a wheelchair in his post, and I don't care enough to do a background check so I didn't know.
Second of all, my points still stand. I'll talk to him the same as everybody else and call him out when he pulls the pity card.
Third of all, I did want a debate, where somebody actually provided information and not hate. Xoseptember was kind enough to oblige me.
And the fourth, good for you. You enjoy your purchase. Not all of us can afford it in these times, though, and we're grateful for the private servers, buggy as they may be.
Contrary to popular belief, private servers don't kill or ruin a game. Ragnarok Online has been out since 2001, and private servers quickly followed. There are now thousands of private RO servers, and yet official RO is still running strong. And WoW is FAR more successful than RO was. I don't see WoW dying for years to come. At that point, the remaining faithful players will be glad to have private servers around.
maybe it got sucky to MAKE ppl go retail xD
SP, honestly your reasonong kinda disturbs me-- alot of people that are playing on the private servers and cant afford realwow are still in a private server, because of the community and people thay love playing with.alot of people that can afford real wow, usually end up playing both for that reason. who said anyone was leeching off a private server? as far as i'm concerned, anyone that joins the server is more than welcome, and usuallly makes a contribution to the community simply by being there.
the only people i cant stand, are the ones that intentionally mass exploit shit with their guilds. other than that, i dont care if the person is green, blue black or white, i dont care if they are from macedonia or california, i dont care if its billgates or the poorguy under a laptop under the bridge, everyone is welcome to play in a private server.if it really bothers you that much that some one on a private server can afford retail, then you have some major jealousy issues, and if you claim you dont, then you are in straight out denial.
the players that make up private server population are less than 1% of blizzards total customer base playing wow. explain to me, how that ruins the game.
and SP, if you are playing retail right now, then why exactly does this concern you so much?
the private wow servers are less than a mosquito bite where blizzards concerned, as long as it doesnt get as bit as wowscape was, and exploited the same way peyton did.
and for the anonymous poster above me, the reason scape died, was because peyton wasnt able to geta decent developer to develop wowscapes cores. they knew what she was up to, and she wouldnt share with them, and treated them like work dogs. they would quit when they figured out what was goin on, and realized they wernt content.
peytons poor buisiness ethics killed wowscape, and blizz just got the honors of putting that mess to rest.
who is leeching off privates? people who refuse to pay Blizzard despite having the money. People who talking about it's too much money and Blizzard is already rich. If you can afford to pay for the REAL game, created by the REAL developers, but all you do is complain at how expensive it is and play privates instead, you are a leech in my book. who said anything about those who can't afford it? I used to be one of them.
and your excuse for kicking and banning people for yelling in SW is lame dude. the rules on Wowscape were garbage, but you chose to obey them. don't blame others for your choice of staying a GM there and being an ass. that is so lame.
People yell in SW, and you have a hard time talking to them? uh... port them out somewhere? That's what the GM did on Legacy when I tried to get an instant 80 but it didn't work out so I never ended up playing there. You can always find an alternative rather then treat the population like shit.
The community was cool on Wowcrack and I miss it, but meh... staying around a server because of the community is just not worth it to me. If everything is fucked up and ass backwards you should know when it is time to leave. Many people don't, and end up staying there. I stayed for as long as I could until Wolfy just made the server unplayable. No one could get through to him and that's when I knew I had to gtfo of that shit hole.
Also, when I have a Retail account active I never play privates. Why? Why in the hell should I waste my time playing on a crappy server with bugs when I'm paying for the real game?
Staying connected with the people? There is MSN Messenger, or Yahoo, or 100 other different ways of staying in touch.
And all these other excuses people throw like "Blizzard is rich, who cares". WoW is a MMORPG the last time I checked. It takes time, money, and lots of work in keeping it up and running, fixing, and maintaining it. Most games that fall in that genre also cost monthly fees (Everquest). And believe it or not, SOME quests are bugged (maybe 1-3%), some high-full servers lag and even DC (piece of shit Tichondrius), and people get paid to be GMs as a full time job. So if you're one of the people I'm talking about, please save all your excuses and just accept the fact that you are a parasite that refuses to pay.
So why aren't you attacking Mr. Pitsos over there for allegedly spending over $2000 on a private server?
Leeching is bad, unless they agree with you in your argument, eh?
Last I checked, the majority of people that play private servers can't afford retail. There are idiots like Pitsos, but that is a tiny minority.
The reason there are subscription fees is to cover the cost of servers, development, etc. If you aren't playing on their server, you aren't using their resources, so it isn't "leeching." Blizzard isn't losing any money. If they were playing the official servers without paying, then it would be a different story.
I'm not arguing that it should be legal to have private servers, I'm only saying that it's not as bad as you make it sound.
Also;
Wasn't this conversation originally about Scape/Peyton? Why did you change it to leeches?
because he made a mistake. humans make them the last time I checked. dude was trying to tell others not to do the same thing if you really look into his posts instead of attacking him.
blah. privates are cool, I played on a few of them myself back in the day. do what you want, it's your life.
What he said was that throwing $2000 out when he had a job was fine, but now that he's unemployed he wished he had that money back. Completely different moral. Quotes to prove the point:
"looking back now that 2 grand would be really helpful right now"
"didn't care how he spent it as long as he was making money"
"2 grand is nothing when you have a job, a good life"
"Don't mess with donating to private servers"
He didn't care about leeching, he only cared that he was out $2k. He was advising others not to donate because they will eventually lose their money's worth, not because it was morally wrong.
kyle, it seems you argue for the sake of arguing. It makes you look immature, you make legitimate points, but there's something about the tone of your posts which seem like all you want to do is instigate the argument between yourself and SP.
About the guy that presented his sad background, he did it so we could get a better understanding of why he might have found that 2000 dollars better spent on something other than a bloody donation.
I played on scape for a very, very long time, i played my free month of retail and found i couldn't commit the time to level, personally i don't find the game fun until i reach the top and im able to PVP against who i can compare as me equal (both have Teir X gear) and the battle comes down to that 30 seconds.
Retail would have taken me literally 6months if i tried to level to 80/70/60 because i have a life. Wowscape allowed me to level to 80/70/60 in about 3 weeks, and i had loads of fun playing, and in all my years of playing i only ever had a Hunter and Priest because i was content with trying to become better with what i had.
(although now i regret not reaching over lvl 40 for any other classes)
okay i went on a little tangent, i apologize :p
anyway what im trying to say is Peyton and her Scapegaming legally shouldn't have been doing that, and of course nothing is free in this world, so sure make a profit. BUT DONT COMPRIMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SERVERS IN ORDER PROVOKE PLAYERS TO BUY GEAR, LETS FACE IT 99% OF "DONATIONS" WERE FOR GEAR...
Peyton catered to our greedy nature, and she exploited it, that makes her what we can call today a fucking bitch.
-m0nki3
i missed the part where its your buisiness if people you dont know play on a random private server for free.
you already know the quality isnt as good as bliz, far as i'm concerned, you get little more than you pay for.
"The reason there are subscription fees is to cover the cost of servers, development, etc. If you aren't playing on their server, you aren't using their resources, so it isn't "leeching." Blizzard isn't losing any money."-Kyle
exactly.
"Also, when I have a Retail account active I never play privates. Why? Why in the hell should I waste my time playing on a crappy server with bugs when I'm paying for the real game?" -SP
i missed the part where anyone was telling you that you should playa private server instead of retail. far as i'm concerned, stay on retail you stuck up bitch.
"WoW is a MMORPG the last time I checked. It takes time, money, and lots of work in keeping it up and running, fixing, and maintaining it. Most games that fall in that genre also cost monthly fees (Everquest)." -SP
first offno one has brought into this intire discussion whether or not wow is an mmorpg. just because it is a private server, doesnt mean it isnt. so whats your point in that first sentence? hell, whast the point in that intire paragraph? it takes just as much time and effort for some one to correctly maintain a private server. except in peytons case where she let it sit and decay.
people that GM in a private server do it for one reason- they enjoy the general job. personally me, i'm tired of it after two years.
and as for my actions on scape.. arguing that i'm an asshole for following rules is no more valid than me getting pissed at you for not running red lights.
you seem to be lost SP. this intire thread isnt about me, my gming, or why private servers are bad. heres a perfect summery:
"Peyton and her Scapegaming legally shouldn't have been doing that, and of course nothing is free in this world, so sure make a profit. BUT DONT COMPRIMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SERVERS IN ORDER PROVOKE PLAYERS TO BUY GEAR, LETS FACE IT 99% OF "DONATIONS" WERE FOR GEAR...
Peyton catered to our greedy nature, and she exploited it, that makes her what we can call today a fucking bitch." -m0nki3
ty m0nki3 for bringing us back to the discussion at hand. not all private servers are like this, and peyton, is just the worse we've seen yet. a private server takes money to run too you know.
also-if you see a server with high prices in their donation list... it isnt greed. its to regulate those people with loose walets so the server doesnt become a funserver, but still caters to the general idea all servers have taken in order to regulate donations. the lower the price, the more buyers there are.
- and higher the price.. the less buyers. the only other option is to remove donation items or restrict it more- but if you restrict thechoices too much, then you runt he risk of no one donating.
oh, forgot to mention SP.. using everquest as an example is a terrible idea. you need to do your research- there are prvt servers running for that, and the way i've heard it, they are much better in quality than most of the wow servers ever were.
lol@the argument about not leaching because you don't play on them. that's like saying if you dont participate in going to the movies and sneaking in for free you arent leaching by never paying for them if you download from the internet instead. no offense but, your're fucking retarded if you think that way. if you working at some job and steal your company's accessories like pens, tape, staples, etc.. thats the same as playing on privates with enough money to play retail to me. you got money, but you chose to steal shit and leech off some bootleg version. real people do it because they have to. thats why i played privates for so long-i had no choice!
no need to make excuses for why you dont give the money to the real developers or the real creators of whatever you are getting for free at a bootleg version whether its a dvd or whatever else you speaking of.
Xo, you were a GM on the most corrupted private server in history and you telling me im stuck up? you did NOTHING to stop the gestapo team that wouldnt let anyone do shit other then get kicked, banned, muted, or whatever else. you were participating in enforcing all of these rules instead of fighting for the cause. you didnt say shit but tucked your tail between your legs and proceeded to be a good boy. not like you told Payton off like DooDa. Dont know much about the dude or even if he agrees with what im saying, i could give less fuck, but he went out like a G! Payton told him to do all this shady shit and he said "fuck you ho!" and left or got kicked out or whatever happened.
get the fuck outta here talking about Payton now and how corrupted she was. when you were GM you didnt say SHIT while there were hundreds of locked threads that went platinum on how people were unhappy with the changes. most of the GMs there i never liked because they all either a) kissed her ass, b) agreed with her rules and/or changes or c) didnt say nothing.
now all you can say is how bad Payton is and how horrible magiclike was. man STFU! you just mad he ganked your sorry ass and posted the screenie for the world to see. followed by stories of how you harassed him in game after ward because your ego just wouldnt live with the fact that somebody ganked Xos-the GM's rogue..
so just shut up with any more crap you talk about scape. you should've done something when you were a GM there. all this talking and arguing is pointless now.
I really think this whole sucks a fat hairy one. I remember that one summer I was playing that server everday. There where about 7000 people on it every day too. I would be on it for hours fighting illidin (if that's how you spell his name) and flying around on my mounts. I had 3 lvl 70's and that was the shit. A rogue, a hunter and a plaldim. But my paladin got banned cus I said one of the gm's sucks. I think all of that was the summer of 08. Oh and my paladin got a 3 year ban. Fuck the gm's, they can suck my fat ball sack.
I'm thinking about going to retail. The first timeni played it I got to lvl 14 in a week. That's how long it took me to get to lvl 70 in wowscape. I miss that server. I liked that server cus you lvled up faster then any other server. Also because the drop rate was the best.
Ile probably just go get a new computer and start playing retail.
This whole thing is a damn shame. Wowscape was something really good
i gm'd there for 3-4 months before i quit.
and as far as the gm work went, if youw ere banned, it was 98% of the time for a dam good reason. namely that the servers rules are very VERY reasonable.
if you lack the capacity to follow SIMPLE rules, then thats your own buisiness and you should learn to live witht he consecoences.
also, it wasnt my buisiness to get int he middle of all of that.
reguarding magiclike, he was a kid. and he sint worth bringing up agan. show me any BC screenshot in retail of a full frost mage in a full set of S3 gemed for stam, and still able to do 10k frostbolts, then maybe i'll consider he's legit, however seeing multiple procs of the skull of guldan, then other players having combatlogs of it, the guy was a fuckin cheater, and which ever staff member gave him that shit eventually got up and left.
in the end, none of it was my buisiness. why should i stick my neck out for a community that doesnt care about me-a couple moonths after i quit scape, i tookt he people i cared about and left, and we reestablished elsewhere.
SP, you can suck my dick and fuck off. nothing you can argue with me has a valid point. and i'm sick of listening to your trash. i've said what i have to say, i've told the story form my point of view, and all youc an think to say is -fuck you you didnt try to stop them"
well i'm not a god dam hero, and unlike doodah, i didnt wanna be. wow is justa fuckin game. i enjoyed playing, i wanted to do more and found i want happy doing more.
if you wanted to do somthing about it all, then maybe you should have showed some level of maturity and takent he initiative to try to get employed on the staff.
but all i see, is some whiney kid telling everyone how great retail is and starting every god damn arguement he can come up with.
Fuck off.
for the record, sneaking into the movies when you didnt pay for it would be paralelled with sneaking into blizzards retail servers and not payin for it.
work on your analogies you stupid pric
it just hit me, the fail mage was the only one that spoke to me in exactly that manner, reguardign the incidences that happened.
i've never had a problem being ganked, just when i've been ganked by a proven cheater (and in a maner that would have been impossible int he first place) that as it turned out was being held above the rules by certain "executives", then fuck yea i'm gonna be pissed about it.
ML was no better than the flyhacking, quiver stacking hunters.
the only reason i've visited this page agan was because of some open mail in my applications and i was reading your last responce.
enjoy yourself with your blog. talk to you later.
enjoy retail.
Well its all been revealed, and I hope blizzard wins the lawsuit against Peyton because none of us deluded former wowscape/wowscape players knew what was going on behind the scenes. Peyton could be using that money for her own selfishness instead of actually UPGRADING THE SERVERS which is what pretty much every smart person is saying. Pouring money on donations is an indication that you prefer to pay for private servers than a fully scripted, originally developed retail game. Anyone can run a private server and claim that ALL of the donations go towards keeping the servers up and upgrading it.
$500,000 a month is a pretty good indication of the amount of suckers who continue paying for this dysfunctional crap you call a wow server. Its just a bunch of thiefs(homebrew developers stealing native code) trying to make a quick buck behind the scenes and if the fact that the person in charge admitted to this scandal isn't enough to claim WoWscape's methods of donations then I lost all hope for that community. I don't give a damn whether its just a game or not, the developers at Blizzard spend their entire careers programming for the game and these people at WoWscape did was:
-Setup the server.
-Used some pre-configured database
-Make tank-and-spank bosses so that you can turn off your brain for half an hour while pounding the monster.
-Donation gear
-$$$$
Please understand that I'm not trying to be an ass here, I'm trying to justify copyright protection and it being violated in the worst possible scenario. WoWscape, by far, is the most evil server in the entire private server community.
Peyton is geting sued, like it or not.
2bitgaming has nothing to do with scape, they just recicled there old account database!!
honestly all you fucking scape (crack) haters are just retarded and got banned for like speed hacking, the hunters pets got disabled because they could tell the pets to atack people when the hunter was in a flying mount, idiot.
i remember when a there was a bug that only me and like 5 other people knew how to do, 1 hit a boss. i 1 hit all of the BT bosses, with my mage....
scape was the best server to ever be and i doubt that any other server will be able to be better.
so suck a big far hairy sloth penis you noobs.
You know, I loved WoWScape. I found a guild that was a blast to raid with - of course, I played on the "funserver" because I had to study, and didn't have the time to devote that I had when I played the Blizz servers (I only made it up to 36 on that...after three months, because of uni). I have fond memories of Scape. I watched it die, and I honestly mourn what it was right before then. I could tell Burlex left - hell, it was pretty obvious, when my friend's (Shaman) -totems- started chasing people around. ...he accidentally killed a low-level Ally in freakin' -Shattrath- because his totem went crazy. Still...I miss the fun I had then. And I wish I could have that back again, but there are some things you can't change.
And honestly, the private emulator world is better off without a WoWscape run by Peyton/Allyson. Dumb twit had no idea wtf she was doing, and more importantly, had no love for the game itself. I helped the decent GMs when I could (Poor Faithe, come on guys, and -why- Feryl? He amused me...why hack -Feryl-...Also, anyone know where -he- went?) not because I wanted something, but because at that time most of them were treated like shit and worked to death.
...remember Scape before the bullshit drama - yes, Peyton screwed us over. But it was fun while it lasted.
RIP, enjoyable WoWScape.
"Anonymous said...
honestly all you fucking scape (crack) haters are just retarded and got banned for like speed hacking, the hunters pets got disabled because they could tell the pets to atack people when the hunter was in a flying mount, idiot.
i remember when a there was a bug that only me and like 5 other people knew how to do, 1 hit a boss. i 1 hit all of the BT bosses, with my mage....
scape was the best server to ever be and i doubt that any other server will be able to be better.
so suck a big far hairy sloth penis you noobs."
January 23, 2010 4:51 AM
Why dont you stfu! wowscape was and still is a piece of crap because people and most staff were greedy corrupt people who wanted something for themselves. I mean you cant honestly assume everyone who got kicked was a hacker? Because if you were referring to everyone then fuck you because i DIDNT GET banned for hacking, i got banned for questioning calmly towards the gms and they have a right to not respond after i asked 3 questions.
And xos, YOUR a gm, how would you know how it feels to be a newcomer lvling up to lvl 28 and getting banned just because a gm doesnt like you without saying a word? You were a gm the whole fucking time for 3 - 4 months. In your eyes as a gm, you saw the guys who got banned as hackers and jackasses but in the eyes of players who just wanted a good time, we get shoved into the jackass category because the gms like you were too tired of noobs going up in your face being a idiot.
Hi nerds. You'll never be satisfied on a private server. This life is about making money.
Yes Magic-wow is the new scape -- popular and just damn good to play on. And there will be another after Magic falls, and another... the shit will never stop. so get used to it or play retail.
Enjoy =)
I played on wowscape.It was good server but the lags were so big so i left it.The best server i played is Molten Core,They have 3 realm,two of them have 8000 together an the new realm is highrate server about x25
"Anonymous said...
Hi nerds. You'll never be satisfied on a private server. This life is about making money.
Yes Magic-wow is the new scape -- popular and just damn good to play on. And there will be another after Magic falls, and another... the shit will never stop. so get used to it or play retail.
Enjoy =)"
To Anonymous:
Hey nerd! So listen up heres the deal I get u a gun and u shoot urself in the center so no1 has to suffer ur existance again? Sounds good? Yeh it sounds good. Just give me a call Ill arrange everything. Might even give u the shot myself u egoistic materialistic dumb fuck piece of sh1t /spit!
Whats funny that i see here, is that over half these mentions of magicwow are basically saying"wow private servers are shitty peices of shit and magic wow isnt any different. but you should play there anyway".
but why should i play there? -_- population? i've been playing on Mystery project which has been 100x's over a better server. it doesnt have a population atm though because people are content to play on shitty populated servers that barely run -_-
if i'm not going to be able to play on retail, i at least ow it to myself to play ina place that has half decent quality, and magicwow doesnt have that. magicwow has a population of people that dont know jack about the game, and i beleive that reflects on the the quality of their product.
if the quality is shit, why should I play there. so no ty mr anonymous, i'm gonna stay at mystery project
this is the way i see it.
the rules of privates were meant to be broken. back when we played on wowcrack nearly EVERY BOSS BUGGED. so in order for us not to get banned we had to unbug him. sometimes unbugging would take a really long time while other times it was nearly impossible. most people just down the boss after he would bug and the unfortunate population had a GM watching them. they would all get banned. this would apply even if you were AFK in raid. your toon would be pwned for life. its sad but thats how wowscape was ran. pulling bosses through wall=ban. killing boss when bugged=ban. they even had this STUPID rule that killing illidan by tanking against the wall=ban.
i had a friend who was known to bug illidan and get warglaivez to rogues that way. i knew so many rogues who got glaivez through buggin while i remained someone who would only down him fairly. looking back i was the one that was stupid, not them. they were smart. all my friends were out enjoying world pvp while i was still raiding bt for warglaivez trying to get them the "right" way. i was just scared to get banned since i put so much time into my rogue. also, there were tricks to know when GMs come online so I should've really rolled through that bitch, bug the fucker, and get my gear. i never got the glaivez and when BT was upgraded no one gave a fuck about it anymore, me included. it was just a waste of life spending 18 hours in a dungeon.
and yes, magicwow sucks quality-wise. the only thing they got going for them is that most of the people are from scape. not only do so many mobs bug by walking through walls and ground, but till this day they can't even fix the damn general chat bug. if you getting ganked by someone you can't even call for help because general doesnt work. all you can do is join global which is like the entire magic population in there.
and yeah, i agree with that guy who said privates will always be around and they will always be closed down one by one. it's just a waste of time unless you sick of retail or can't afford it. if you got the money, try retail, get to 80, get some high end pve/pvp gear whatever you like better and then if you dont like it go play privates. but dont knock it till you try it. also, make sure you do your research and chose the right server cuz some are just awful, while others have great communities.
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icompleatly disagree with the "rules are ment to be broken" approach.
of course some boss's would bug, but theres a difference between a raid trying to attempting to legitly do a boss and a small handfull of people intentionally exploiting the bug in its script, and most gm's should be taking that into account.
i tried playing magicwow, but i quit when i realized chainpulls could happen through walls. i'd at least prefer to play at a place that implements line of sight, and lickily has mobs that will obey it as well O.o
as for the advice in that last full post,, i seriously sugest taking that advice as well when you are looking for a retail server. so many people get really big heads and full of themself playing in retail,, and from what i've seen, it really depends on where you play as to your .. level of difficulty? is that a good word for it? if you like pvp, go to a server known for high end pvp O.o and private server pvp will only take you so far, though i'm absolutly certain some amazingly good pvp'rs have been bred on private servers. though, in reality, theres only gonna be a handfull in pvrt servers that are any good
being able to pull bosses through walls, floors, or ceilings is a good thing imo. people play privates for a reason-easy leveling and gear. no one wants to play on private servers where they would have to raid for months just to get a piece of gear. it's fucking stupid. im so sick of all the people who refuse to play retail for whatever reason, and they come to privates demanding for all scripts to be done "retail like". GTFO! if you want retail like, then go play retail. there is just no other way around it. too many bugs, too little people, and too many exploits are on privates. did i mention majority of the dungeons and bgs dont even work and they always are like.. 1, 2, 3, or more patches behind?
that was a big problem with wowcrack/wowlegion. so many retards who wanted all the programmers to duplicate the retail experience, but it wasnt retail! it was the most painful and frustrating game with every dungeon they scripted because privates suck balls when they are that hard! if i ever go back to playing privates you best believe i'll choose the one that has easy everything but not funserver easy.
look at magicwow's "retail like" server. what is it.. 100-200 people play there? rofl. people got tired of that shit man. i'm telling you. if you want to run a successful private server, you gotta make people enjoy it by making everything easy to normal difficulty. otherwise population will either sink or disappear. leveling on retail is painful, and that's when EVERYTHING is working. how you think i would feel leveling a toon on a crappy, and buggy private server that has almost exact the same xp rate. and no 3x is not any different. you log out at the inn on retail, and get 200%xp. you combine heilrooms and thats another 30%xp through mobs killing and questing. but in the end my friends it is quiet simple... retail>>>privates
actually, the way i've heard it, its not a pain to level on retail as of its most recent patches. infact, if you wanted you dont even have to do hardly any quests to hit 80- you could just use the raid finder and level from raiding (speaking of doing quests,, some of the quests on retail sound like alot of fun, what with the scripting and dialogue.). as for actually getting gear.. thats really not much of a problem either as of the raid finders... in short, everything in retail that made it all such a pain before has already been made easier.. as far as i can tell, if yer on a private server right now, either you didnt know about these changes, or, you cant afford it.
the way i see it, if yer a raider, and youw ant the gear for pve, yer selling yourself short trying to enjoy raiding on a private server. you get the gear faster on a prvt server, but to what end if the boss is a tank and spank, you cant really enjoy it. and even then bugged skills mean a lack of dps.
only thing after exploring pisspoor raiding would be pvp. pvp gear isnt hard to get in retail. if you invest the same amount of time in retail you do on most of these private servers for pvp, it takes about the same amount of time if not faster to get geared.
for example,http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&cn=Bojangles
and his brother
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&cn=Veleron&gn=Noir
both these guys i played with on scape, and i've played with them elsewhere, and they fairly recently moved to retail, Bojangles having dingled level 80 like a week or two ago.
i guess the point i'm making here is that, the old excuse's for playing on aprivate server dont exist anymore, except the pay to play aspect. i plan on joining those guys when i'm able, though i dont know when it'll be. but yeah.. like you said, retail >prvt servers.
no matter how bad you want somthing to be retail like, and 100% functional, anything int he private sector will fall short..
best advice to give would be to take advantage of the increased xp rate things on retail offered through their promotional systems.
other funny bit of advice i can give, is if you cant afford to play on retail, then it might be better to not bother with private servers :S
1 week to get to an 80 on retail? please tell me you're joking. your friends must have no lives, literally. they would have to play 12 or more hours a day without going to school, work, or anywhere else. my friend got to 60 in about 10 days with recruit-a-friend, which gives you 300%xp only in classic wow. after 60 you lvl the regular way. but he played every single day 5-7 hours per day. AND me and a few other 80s constantly ran him through dungeons and power leveled him which made it easier for him and faster leveling. no way you can get to 80 in 1 week unless you are an absolute lifeless nerd who plays wow non-stop with only eating and bathroom breaks in between.
it took me a good 3 months for both of my toons to get to 80. i work full time and got shit to do on some weekends too. people who just go to school can do it in a month but 1 week???
Sorry to hear about Scape. It truly was a wonderful server. Then all the drama and the shit happened. Personally, I'm just grateful for all the people I've met there. They were basically the only reason I'd log in. When all the crap with Peyton/Silent, Peyton/Burlex, Community/Peyton and Wolfy, Community/"Scapegaming" happened, I'd stop playing and starting using WoWScape as an IM/chat service and just spend time talking with guildies.:)) So to any Haknuna members here, thank you. To all the Scape veterans, whether or not you hate Peyton or not, thank you. To all the GM's who truly tried helping the community, thank you. To Peyton, well...don't let Karma bite you in the ass.
*whether or not you hate Peyton. my bad. and sorry for the double post.
By the way wowscape is back and running. Running, but still just started so give it time for the owner to fix all the servers! After the server is restored he will then restore everyone's tools!
http://www.universalgaming.eu/
There's a account recovery section, but i can't find it atm.
www.sangambayard-c-m.com
oh just heard wowscape's gone. hehe
i've played there for like at least a year. logging in to sometimes see "friends" and make chit chat and PVP all night long. Btw, I'm DPHENOM a rogue at funserver. i may never play WOW again. just reminising..those group raids and falling asleep in the middle of the raids. LOL i quit playing like early last year when server begun started getting laggy and unplayable. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE!!!
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I recall playing on WoWScape like two years ago. It took me one afternoon to get lvl 70, in another two days I got full T6. And the donaters were no match to average player who came from Blizzard servers, they were just bunch of noobs with overpowered items :D
Took out the whole 5 member donater raid in silvermoon once :D (I used to play mage :D)
actually mr blastfx, as it turns out, private servers and blizz servers are compleatly nondiscriminatory of who is good and who isnt good. if you are a noob here, going to retail wouldnt make it any better. and vice versa, theres plenty of noobs in retail that could never hold their own against some of the best playters from private servers.
the difference is everything works in blizzard, so what seperates the skilled formt he unskilled in a private server is learning to overcome whats broken in order to outdo your opponent. but that also depends on the player as to how far they go and what they are willing to abuse and not abuse. but rest assured event he best players in bliz would do the same things people in privates did, given the chance.
that being said, theres also players that will seek to understand their class's better under any given conditions. a friend of mine that went by the name of ashtaroth played nothing but private servers when he began, and back sometime in mid february he dinged 80 in retail.
just look him up on eu.wowarmory as saintdeath at shattered halls. you'll notice his arenarating, his weapons he's earned himself, and so many other things.. and this is a player that came straight form private servers.
there are more than enough noobs in both private servers as there is retail. and honestly probbly at the same ratio's, but as for the good players, those are the players that take the time to learn as much as they can about the game, and learn how to react to any given situation. some people, just dont delve farther than the gear. those are the ones good at pve. and to be honest, you stick players ina retail like enviroment for pve, and eventually they end up understanding the motions. i've seen it happen.
and mr term paper, this blog in particular is over a couple years old, just about all that can be said, and all the insight that can be given is in previous pages. the only thing that would give you anymore information would be contacting allison reeves herself, or talking Faith the previous donations manager to give you her point of view on anything, but somthing tells me faith wouldnt want to expose her own lack of integrety either, considering she's running her own server now, lol. i've had about enough of all this stuff, i'm turning off all my email notices of this blog now xD if anyone wants to know anything more than can be found in this blog, i can be reached at SerenadeGS@Gmail , and if you want more insight to other private server managements, i'd be happy to anwser anymore questions about that.
in any case, everything scape related is pretty much all out in the open.
"I have been visiting various blogs for my term papers writing research. I have found your blog to be quite useful. Keep updating your blog with in valuable information... Regards"
thanks. what you writing you paper on?
aww man back in the old days when wowscape was BC i played (wowlegion) it was great i liked the levelling and the drops and whatnot there were some minor bugs for me but it was playable. then i heard there was a lich king expansion coming and i got sooo excited cuz i had a 70 pally and i really wanted to try DK's and stuff then it came...and i got so excited and for the first maybe oh idk 20 minutes it worked for me...sort of then it gradually became worse and worse and worse to the point where i'd login at the DK starter and nobody would be there...and i mean NOBODY (NPC's, other players, GM's, etc.) just the bare environment. then i experienced random server shutdowns and terrible terrible lag and it got to the point where i could no longer play so i left...but scape was good once and if peyton closed her greedy money mouth before it was too late and kept her crew under control maybe just MAYBE it could've stayed alive...anyone who played with droidekapwn or jastoremil on legion come find me :P
I originally started WoWscape with Silent and Hordehunter back in 2006. Funny that I recruited Peyton (Ally) and Hexed (her husband) to be GMs for the wow emu servers we ran back then (WoWscape - fun server / WoWcrack - blizz like). Once I had to leave for a month or two due to real life work and such I was surpassed and the next thing I know Silent gave Peyton the run of the servers. Odd, I never received and $$$ and I worked as the database guy for over a year. Oh wait ... I did it for the love of the game and for those who refuse or cannot pay Blizz monthly charges.
But oh well ... I'll try to look them up someday and see how they are both doing in Federal Prison for copyright infractions.
Retired GM Stealth, co-founder of WoWscape.
For any old friends feel free to look me up on MySpace. www.myspace.com/sparat1c
hey guys, if anyone still out there. check out this new article I wrote about WoW. I quit retail and won't be back there anytime soon, or possibly ever. Join me, and be free
http://libraliving.blogspot.com/2010/06/truth-about-world-of-warcraft-blizzard.html
if any of you play on Magic, you should 1) read this, http://libraliving.blogspot.com/2010/07/truth-about-magicwow.html and 2) stop playing there...
...or 3) stay there and get harassed.
Old GM here. I was one of the newer GMs on the server.
I know that this post was made a long time ago, but I thought I could clear some things up through my own experience. Newer GMs kept saying that things were fine with the servers because, honestly, we had NO idea what the hell was going on. Second, we did have some plans to try and improve the servers and gameplay for players, but since the servers screwed up we really couldn't do anything.
As for what a poster above said, Drinda and Taz were ok, but Kadyn was a spoiled-ass bitch. You wouldn't believe some of the bullshit that some GMs had to put up with around other GMs. It was like friggin high school again; all a popularity and power contest. People who were friends with the higher ups and kissed ass got promoted (such as in Kadyn's case) and those who actually worked hard got shit.
Personally, I really enjoyed helping the players, as did my boyfriend (LolZero) but unfortunately he was fired by Xtro and Trinity when they saw his events were popular and that he actually cared about catching hackers.
Honestly, I enjoyed my days at Scape, but I say good riddance. Honestly, some of the GMs laughed behind players backs and enjoyed banning them. Those who honestly cared for the players were either shunned or fired.
As for me, I play retail now and it's great. I had never played WoW before Scape so I will give it the honor of having brought be into the official game.
Sorry. Had to get that all out. I've been quiet about it for so long.
-Much love, Versian
"Old GM here." -- You obviously weren't there very long.
Shorti here, trolling. Whether you were around when I was a GM or you were in the last batch of them, Scape was already in the crapper at least 6 months before it died. I'll be honest, my resignation from Scape, looking back on it, was a bit overdramatic; I insulted the higher-ups and regretted it. A few months later, I decided I'd try and get back in, but the real high-ups were still butthurt over what I'd said.
I've gotten 3 other offers after that to be a GM on some rising servers, and looked at all 3. I, too, now play retail, and have deleted my MSN because of the contacts I still had. I didn't want to be bothered by private server crap anymore.
But, while Kadyn WAS a bitch sometimes, she also worked pretty damn hard. She was an event manager, and she fulfilled that position REALLY well. She was also a donations GM, and filled THAT really well. She worked just fine.
Peyton and whoever else on the complete TOP, they were all pretty damn corrupt; as I'd pointed out. "I'm doing background work", she said in a meeting once. In that meeting, she asked to be filled in on EVERYTHING that went on pretty much until the last meeting -- she had no clue. AKA, she did nothing.
And Loveless, you're an ass. You treated Kadyn like shit, and you don't deserve to call her your 'ex-girlfriend' or whatever you did up there. You are a lying, deceitful fuck and I hope it all comes back to you sometime.
Peace; Shorti.
@ shorti,
heh u know how law students like loveless are, they can use big fat vocab to sugar coat their fucked up ways of working in the servers.
I'm glad WoWScape is finally gone, i know that's probably old news but I've been to busy with newer online games to really notice what had happened to WoWScape.
I was part of the 2006 community batch and it seemed like only the newer members got payed attention to, even supporting the network did not really give one much recognition (aside from a Title), the place was to full of itself to really operate like a friendly community.
WoWLegacy was a great change but I'm afraid that to is slowly fading as well.
It's really hard to find a WoW Private server with a large community base these days, actually i do not think one actually exists presently, the game is to old now i guess.
Haha I played on this server about three years back I got banned for speed hacking shortly after I made a new account and was speed hacking again fucking up people who paid for gear was fuuuuun!!!! And I really miss the private servers where people were people and not Russians or some other language speakers that no one understands :(
there was a lot of Russians and foreigners on scape actually. Tepopp on wowcrack were funny. They hacked, they stacked, they abused, and everybody hated them, but I actually liked them because they were one of the few who didn't give a fuck regardless of all the abuse by GMs with bannings, mutes, and kicks.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29936/Blizzard_Wins_88M_Judgment_Against_WoW_Private_Server_Owner.php it finally happened hahahahaha ahahahahahaha http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29936/Blizzard_Wins_88M_Judgment_Against_WoW_Private_Server_Owner.php
ATTENTION PEOPLE OF Wowlegion and especially Wowcrack!!! I found an amazing BC server that is High XP (15x) Blizz-Like named Last WoW - http://www.lastwow.com. It has PvE just like back on scape, BT, SWP, Hyjal, Kara, etc.. Arena, BGs, and most importantly WORLD PVP! There is a guild named League of Heroes on Alliance side. They do Orgrimmar raids every single day. Horde does SW raids too! World PvP in Outland, STV, etc.. up to almost 2k players online at peak hours. no asshole faggot GMs like on Magicwow/Wowscape who treat the population like shit. It's a totally different community and different developers. Bosses are scripted, and everything. it is probably the best server you will find at the moment if you are looking for some Wowcrack/legion PvP, PvE, and FUNNNNNNNNNNN!
Unless you want to play Lich King where people are busy doing billion things and never want to PvP outside of Arena, come and join us.
p.s. you can donate for gear if you don't want to grind for it again.
PvP videos from Lastwow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6KlTZDMXi8
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=MPEBEQG0
Lol if you took you 18 hours to complete an instance you need to find another funserver. You fail at life kid.
LVL 80 Priest FD and could tank any boss lawl.
The idea behind the name CacheWow was that if it ever took off I was going to give back 1/4 of the donations back to the community, raffled off each month using vote points to purchase the tickets. I had it all worked out.
Then I learned to make it you had to have the money to have the cheat vote program created. As in the rest of life, only the rich get rich. I no longer play Wow at all, but, from what I'v seen recently at least my network was fair and balanced. I ran it with the customer always being right, as they all should be run.
I'm now Armaand and play Lord of the rings online, Imladris server, which went free to play recently. DooDah is dead and gone, may he rest in peace.
DooDah
Well, since the cheater cheat us and took our money away, server her right to been jailed and sued by Blizzard=P
To SP
Wow thank you for disrupting gameplay for all the others who were playing at the time. You were sick of Wowscape going down all the time so you decided to help it go down some more?
You are a thief and a cheat if you didnt like the server why did you not just leave? Who gave you the right to go and attack someone elses property? Just because you think they deserve it dosnt mean you can do whatever the hell you want, why do you think we have LAWS? Do you feel like a knight in shining armor, your just some no good punk who likes to live off of glory. Like glory much?
No matter how many times people praise you or you think youre doing good in the end youre just some random theif. Even in the end when you got what you wanted you felt like adding a little advertising for your own gain? Kinda like peyton ripping us off for her own gain...
You are a thief.
Also, I like how you dont respond to acusations against you only to the praise...
Good luck with keeping your ego at bay.
SK,
what in the hell are you talking about? my blog is a desert with tumble weeds. if you look at 99.9% of my entries, they either have 0 or 1 or 2 replies. The few replies that I usually get are from 1) my followers, or 2) stalkers. both are from sohh forums i used to post on.
this is the only blog entry that got big for some strange reason. I only told a few guildies about it, but that's it.
so me speaking my mind against the abuse on the server is "attacking someone"?? please shoot yourself. the amount of abuse we as people went through on that server was ridiculous. i make a topic about it on some unknown blog and you call me a thief???
I did leave right after the update of BT and Hyjal which was unplayable unless you had 18 hours per day to clear all bosses, so please stfu. what advertising? the only advertising i did was say that all the bitch ass GMs migrated to a new server called Wowmagic, and they abuse players just as much on the Alliance faction with their retarded 'no yell' rule. seriously, fuck off!
Hey SP, I know this is a late post considering when all this shit happened but I just read that that Peyton whore has to pay Blizzard 88 million dollars. haha Thank god for that, next time we see her she'll be at some street corner begging for spare change.
xlDeMoNiClx, you evil bastards...
lol
my Cataclysm review for anyone who cares to read it..
http://libraliving.blogspot.com/2011/02/cataclysm-is-piece-of-shit.html
Molten is the new Wowscape. They lie their face off for donor money. Like the 20k players online LIE, maybe 5k total of 5 realms, they fake server population even on their web page, hell no they wont show, players online by name. I used census addon and activity based on experience and some secretive posts on trinity core's web site, the realms peak at 1k each rarely. Donations end going thru money-laundering country of Belize. The staff is quite corrupt and lets donors get away with about anything to keep them fat and happy. I have sent emails to other top 100 servers about the Molten 20k lie and how attractive this is to new players. Hope to start a lie war, vote sites dont check or care.
I was never impressed with Molten WoW. maybe 6 months ago I started playing on their highest xp server, and didnt get passed like level 18. they have way too many bugs, and the damn reagents aren't even available? no reagents from vendors? wtf!?!? I quit right there and then. plus I heard the guy who is running it took the donation money from his friend on Neverendless, and created Molten. and they use voting points to get epics so people make the server #1.
the funnest wow server to date imo is Feenix wow, which is on patch 1.12. the problem is, 1) it is vanilla and not as polished as BC and higher, 2) pvp system feels... different because there is no resilience. which is a good thing, you just gotta get used to it, 3) PvE drops are 1x... which sucks balls to me. I come to privates to get easy loot, but blah whatever. PvE nerds will rejoice, 4) DHK system. u get DHK when u kill a "civilian" (NPCs in cities), so WPvP=dead like everywhere on every private. no Arena though, which I always hated with passion. but a big problem imo is that there are BGs in which you gotta farm over and over for ranks, which get you PvP gear. I went to play there for World PvP and vanilla feel, only to be farming gear in BGs like on every fucking server i ever played on, and 5) old bugs and restrictions still apply like none spells work when you are mounted and you gotta dismount first. click-to-move is bugged to shit. etc... so, you need to get used to the system to really enjoy it.
server reaches almost 2k players at peak times with AV fully working, which can last hours. u can vote to get gold. etc.. but like I said... if you go there for World PvP, you may as well just quit WoW because you'll never find it... anywhere
Asta said it best, "Peyton was the problem."
Here was just an overzealosu and overachiever of a modern woman, who really had no direction in life.
She latched onto this gaming bandwagon and more or less got lucky.
Had she at least had a business mind, or some actual interest in the product or it's consumer base or maybe the technical side of thing, or just maybe a conviction for the cause, a manifesto if you will...something.. but no, she just took and never gave.
Whether she was pocketing 60k, or 500k doesn't matter. She ripped people off in the every sense of the word.
She got and is getting what she deserved.
Personally I hope she spends a few decades in federal prison. Blizzard doesn't need the money, but the industry does need a reality check, and they just got one.
The unwritten rules of emulation servers are strict.
im glad peyton has to pay 88.5 million dollars..... i hope she rots in fed prison!
hey guys, i was selected to test SW: TOR :P http://libraliving.blogspot.com/2011/08/i-was-selected-to-test-star-wars-old.html
hey peoples. here is another one of my "truth about ____" edition, from a metaphysical approach.. http://libraliving.blogspot.com/2011/09/truth-about-akult.html
hey,
i was a player of wowcrack before and suddenly got curious what really happened back then.so, i googled the results and came across to your blog and found it very interesting.
if i remember correctly about all you said before in your first few posts they were all true like for example: 15-1hr character lists, fuked-up wolfy, and almost unplayable server. it jsut so happen that it came back to me all of the good times that suddenly got dropped-out because of this scams!
well, thanks for the info..that's all
wow scape is now located at chaoticunited.com
No its not. Its still at Scapegaming.net, not that anyone really cares anymore. Used to work at M4F/M4A with Burlex and Chaoscode, until Burlex left to join Scape.
Retail > Private Servers.
Man talk about a throw back reading about paytown again. I goggled wowscape because I was curious how it has gone. Some good memories there. (:
-electrocute
I've never been banned from Scape, even though I openly hated the GMs (politely) and I've left the WoWcrack server, where I spent most of the time, along with my friends Matron, Troden and Vamp. That was a short time before Trinity left, too. Crack was a good server, dunno about others. Quite unstable but for some reason the horrible politics behind it never projected into my experience. For what it was worth, I had good time. It was quite shocking to hear later on how it ended up, but it wasn't that unbeliavable given things I've heard people say in the Ventrilo servers. Esp. Matron and Troden were quite heavily pursued by Peyton for the unrest they made and it nearly hit me as well just because I was their friend. When they disappeared from the WoW scene I've tried some more serves, including Sexy, but it was quite obvious this was the end of online WoW experience for me and I've moved on to purely creative stuff.
It was quite an interesting experience.
Here goes holler from a Korean-named night elf to all the friends who know who I am!
The real WoWscape will be returning - https://wowscape.net
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